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American's lose again, we're all under control. Freedom of choice in America? Nope. Taxation on those choices now and penalized on those choices the government deems wrong

http://www.foxnews.c...acare-survives/

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - Winston Churchill

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Erik;

I knew you would be passionate about this. I have stated my opinions very succinctly in the past on this board. I am not Republican and am not Democrat. Both parties are different wings of the same bird so todays decision, while saddening me for another loss of a freedom, doesn't surprise me. The next stop is "Single Payer" healthcare, whether you like it or not, so get used to it. And for the record, isn't this a "Conservative" Supreme Court, not.............

They just usurped states rights in Montana, overturning a 100 year ban on corporate money. They gutted Arizonas law trying to contain the scourage of illegal immigration. And now, they just upheld "Obamacare" which was the child of "Romneycare". We definitely have the best government money can buy.

Now the question becomes how you navigate through this ? Who knows but I go back to what I have said before, I live by what I see not by what I would like to see. I always vigorously try to change what I don't like but am wise enough to know the difference.

Don't sweat this Erik, just another building block chipped away. Hell, since my ancestors were from Italy and came to the USA during a certain period, I am eligible to obtain "Dual Citizenship" even though I was born in California. Maybe I'll be doing electrical work and post on The Sign Syndicate" from my socialzed new home in Italy. Again............not.

Just another tragic American tale.

Dominic

"Don't be afraid to see what you see" - President Ronald Reagan

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I don't even know what to think about it honestly. I forgot that now we a country of enablers, that we are supposed to take care of those less fortunate. How about no, Sparky? If I choose not to have health insurance, that is a choice, therefore it cannot be taxed. However, according to our wonderful new law, now we choose between insurance or a tax. That, my friends, is a choice between two devils. I can either pay a corrupt insurance company or a corrupt government. My, what wonderful choices! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Why would I ever want to keep my own money that I worked my ass off to earn... you're right... I'll give it away! An even better option is to give it to the leeches the suck on the government's teet every chance they get because our welfare system is so screwed up that everyone takes advantage of it. You have an iPhone, a flat screen tv, new rims, and rockin' kicks, but you're on food stamps? Makes sense.

The worst part is that the majority of Americans just sit there with a goofy ass grin on their faces and pretend like everything is hunky dory. Did everyone else get some sort of "happy drug" that I missed? Was I absent from school the day that everyone seemed to get magically brainwashed by the media and believed everything that they said? I guess I also missed the time that my generation accepted that it was okay to know more about Snooki and the Kardashians than the economy. Everyone is just walking around like America didn't change yesterday. Our whole future changed yesterday.

Everyone is entitiled to their own opinion, and I am not going to belittle you or be disrespectful to you if your opinion is different than mine. However, i am BEGGING you... please be an informed citizen this November. Please vote responsibly. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND DO NOT TRUST THE MEDIA'S RESEARCH! You are your own person with your own brain.

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Term Limits!!! This problem would never have happened.

Are you just referring to professional politicians? I have long advocated that a Supreme Court position should not be for life. Some of these folks were bordering on if not actually senile while making critical decisions for our country.

But you are absolutely correct, there should be no such thing as a professional politician or justice in my view.

And just for the record, Roberts was the deciding vote on the AHC decision and didn't even stick to the principle he was deciding on. I thought the concept of mandatory purchase was a "Commerce Clause" issue but he decided to make it a "Tax" issue thus in my view legislating from the bench. That is exactly what the Supreme Court was specifically not set up to do. They should judge but not direct policy. Oh well................

Dominic

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Came across this today,

The National Association of Realtors is not pleased with this new tax and hopes this information is forwarded to every voter prior to the election in November.

It doesn’t matter which side of the political fence you sit on - it will affect ALL of us.

When does your home become part of your health care? After 2012! Your vote counts big time in 2012, make sure you and all your friends and family know about this!

HOME SALES TAX I thought you might find this interesting, -- maybe even SICKENING! The NationalAssociation of Realtors is all over this and working to get it repealed, --before it takes effect. But, I am very pleased we aren't the only ones who know about this ploy to steal billions from unsuspecting homeowners. How many realtors do you think will vote Democratic in 2012? Did you know that if you sell your house after 2012 you will pay a 3.8% sales tax on it? That's $3,800 on a $100,000 home, etc. When did this happen? It's in the health carebill, -- and it goes into effect in 2013. Why 2013? Could it be so that it doesn’t come to light until after the 2012 elections? So, this is ‘change you can believe in’? Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% salestax. If you sell a $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation, -- who often downsize their homes. Does this make your November, 2012 vote more important? Oh, you weren't aware that this was in the Obama Health Care bill? Guess what; you aren't alone! There are more than a few members of Congress that weren't aware of it either. You can check this out for yourself at: http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/04/08/obamacare-flatlines-obamacare-taxes-home

VOTERS NEED TO KNOW.

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GOOD things happen for a reason......

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Thanks Sean, especially since I was considering selling my house... you know, like sometime in my life. Our president is a joke (please take note that I didn't capitalize his title). I'm so sick of this.

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I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg on new taxes. Nobody who voted for Obamacare knows what it fully entails. Friggin socialists!

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There are many reasons not to like Obamacare, Romneycare, Hillarycare, SOPA, ACTA, the Patriot Act.... nearly any big bill. But the "home tax" is a viral rumor that has little truth:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/a-38-percent-sales-tax-on-your-home/

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There are many reasons not to like Obamacare, Romneycare, Hillarycare, SOPA, ACTA, the Patriot Act.... nearly any big bill. But the "home tax" is a viral rumor that has little truth:

http://www.factcheck...x-on-your-home/

Thanks for the post..............

Dominic

"Don't be afraid to see what you see" - President Ronald Reagan

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I hear ya John. Even if it is a rumor it was thought of and exposed to the public. Guess it may be like the communicators on Star Trek, now look at the cell phones.

GOOD things happen for a reason......

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It still taxes folks on home sales. Maybe not everyone... Regardless, why would you tax a home sale. To pay medical insurance for someone else?

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It still taxes folks on home sales. Maybe not everyone... Regardless, why would you tax a home sale. To pay medical insurance for someone else?

True, but every tax is a tax on someone or something to pay for something else. I pay taxes, some of which go to the DOE which is doing research to support the LED industry, which has blanketed the world with misleading (or patently false) information on neon and cold-cathode. My taxes also pay to research and dispose of private companies spent nuclear fuel and pay for their insurance (as no private insurance company will touch nuclear power generation). I'd get a tax increase had I not bought a home (and taken the home mortgage interest deduction). Is the government compelling me to buy a home? Maybe so. If I had not (or decided to sell my home) I will pay higher taxes. Ayn Rand would roll over in her grave if she knew.

Do I approve of it? No, but like all taxes I pay it and just try to elect folks that carry my vision forward of a fair world and concentrate on my own business ventures in the mean time.

Obamacare hardly seems socialist. If anything it is Fascist: giving more power to the private insurance companies. Any guise of a "public" insurance plan was quickly killed by both parties. The "individual mandate" was a Republican idea, born out of the Heritage Foundation and included in the 1993 alternative to "Hillarycare", and certainly a centerpiece of "Romneycare". I've no doubt that if McCain were president right now repubs would be pushing a similar plan and the left would be railing against it with all the vitriol they could muster. If healthcare is going to change or cost less or be less profitable to someone, then that someone is going to loudly complain about it anyway they can. Who wouldn't? Nobody wants to get less money for their products or services. The status quo sucks to some, but is quite nice to others. Depends on where you are in the scheme.

My point? The contradictions are everywhere and will never go away. Just learn about the issues from multiple sources - try to understand both sides and make your best choice at the ballot box every couple of years. Like Dominic I'm neither Liberal nor Conservative. I've voted for both sides. My perspective is just as I see things... as a person who's spent his entire life running multiple small businesses.

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It still taxes folks on home sales. Maybe not everyone... Regardless, why would you tax a home sale. To pay medical insurance for someone else?

True, but every tax is a tax on someone or something to pay for something else. I pay taxes, some of which go to the DOE which is doing research to support the LED industry, which has blanketed the world with misleading (or patently false) information on neon and cold-cathode. My taxes also pay to research and dispose of private companies spent nuclear fuel and pay for their insurance (as no private insurance company will touch nuclear power generation). I'd get a tax increase had I not bought a home (and taken the home mortgage interest deduction). Is the government compelling me to buy a home? Maybe so. If I had not (or decided to sell my home) I will pay higher taxes. Ayn Rand would roll over in her grave if she knew.

Do I approve of it? No, but like all taxes I pay it and just try to elect folks that carry my vision forward of a fair world and concentrate on my own business ventures in the mean time.

Obamacare hardly seems socialist. If anything it is Fascist: giving more power to the private insurance companies. Any guise of a "public" insurance plan was quickly killed by both parties. The "individual mandate" was a Republican idea, born out of the Heritage Foundation and included in the 1993 alternative to "Hillarycare", and certainly a centerpiece of "Romneycare". I've no doubt that if McCain were president right now repubs would be pushing a similar plan and the left would be railing against it with all the vitriol they could muster. If healthcare is going to change or cost less or be less profitable to someone, then that someone is going to loudly complain about it anyway they can. Who wouldn't? Nobody wants to get less money for their products or services. The status quo sucks to some, but is quite nice to others. Depends on where you are in the scheme.

My point? The contradictions are everywhere and will never go away. Just learn about the issues from multiple sources - try to understand both sides and make your best choice at the ballot box every couple of years. Like Dominic I'm neither Liberal nor Conservative. I've voted for both sides. My perspective is just as I see things... as a person who's spent his entire life running multiple small businesses.

A very well reasoned and thought out post. Obamacare was born out of Romneycare in Massachussets. And you are right, the mandate is a Republican idea that I believe went back even further to the days of Nixon when he was affiliated with Kaiser. But in any rate, I look for answers to problems based on sound thought rather than party blather.

I have to say that the label of Republican or Democrat is absolutely not even on my radar screen because I consider myself an American first and an ideologue way down the line. As a matter of fact, I couldn't care less about a party label and certainly never follow a path because some organization says so. Like you said, I read and make my own decisions. Sometimes Right and sometimes Left but always with a thought process behind the decision.

Dominic

"Don't be afraid to see what you see" - President Ronald Reagan

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Mega Volt, The taxes and pay outs you're referring to come out of the "Federal Budget". This tax goes directly to oblamacare. Since we all know how effectively our gov runs programs, it will never be enough. I in no shape or form support oblamacare, or any mandated health insurance program. For the record, I am insured. I also pay over 1/2 of my employees health care benefits. We have a great policy with all the bells and whistles. I do have 2 employees who will not get on our insurance plan. They refuse to spend the $40 per week. They are uninsured. These employees also make over $20 per hour, and $40 a week won't kill them or affect their lifestyle. Why in the heck should any taxpayer support their medical problems?

I pay plenty for indigent healthcare in the form of property taxes. Not to mention over billing by hospitals and doctors to our insurance company.

Since you do well in the neon business. Are you willing to take your good fortune and spread it around to the other not so performing neon shops across the country? I hope not, but what's next?

I'm sick and tired of doing the right thing. I create good paying jobs, despite the regulations and taxes that hinder my business. Then I get to sit back and watch the leeches on TV tell me they need more, for doing absolutely nothing with their lives.

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These are all good points to bring up and I hate it also but, I wish though people would stop calling it socialism it is not by definition socialism.

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