No more UL Listing needed in California?

[Erik Sine]

Is this true??

Anyone have the heads up on this? I have not gotten a chance to see the full documents yet, but I will in short time. This is already happening, permits are being pulled for signs for new signs and listing labels are not needed for signs.

I'm all for this if it's not some sort of loophole, or even a loophole!!!, well it's a start anyway. Apparently right now in California and city departments are already issuing permits to sign shops who manufacture LED illuminated signs whether they are cabinets or channel letters, you don't have to have the sign UL Listed and it must comply with Title 24.

I can say for a fact though that non-UL shops are pulling permits. I'm just waiting to see the actual docs that you must take to the building departments

[NWWsigns]

Here in Washington there are only a few cities that really look for a listing and there is a grey area with title 24 and remote mounted power supplies which can get you around the requirement. All the property management companies want UL though and I dont see that changing.

[Snoochie]

"I can say for a fact though that non-UL shops are pulling permits. "

Only if those shops are sending "Hot" female permit runners and they ask for Mayor Filner to process those permits personally.............

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[al meza]

ha ! funny shit,,sadly the only people who need UL listings are those who actually do a sign final

if UL was no longer needed it would save my company boatloads of money ! im all for it !

[Salsa Signman]

We do a lot of sign service and I see many signs with UL stickers affixed that are not even built close to UL specs. Yesterday i saw a set of channel letters with out any bushing between the letters and the raceway ...just a hole drilled through the aluminum with the GTO pushed through. So whats the point of UL if UL doesn't make field inspections. And I've only ran across one city inspector who wanted to inspect the inside of a sign before it was installed. That city inspector only check for what HE considered important which didn't match up with UL or the National Electric Code. It appears UL is just a money making scheme and not really interested in safety. Just like most cities who only want the permit fees and never bother to check on the actual installations. In our area I've seen some really poor installs and inferior sign quality and the inspector will not do anything about it.

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