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Here's a sign we I did for an old longtime client who asked me to remove one of my favorite little signs that I did for him a couple of years ago and replace it with a much larger wall sign.

This time around I got the opportunity to get some very good advice from Sean (Fishing Nut) and Gary Nutting from this board in the early on stages of the project. In the end it swung another direction with color and the project got finalized with Tecnolux's Ruby Red pumped argon in 12mm for the lettering and their 4500 Tri-phosphor white in a fat 18mm for the outer border for that subtle accent look on the border. Ruby Red does NOT appear to be an easy product to order right now. From what I was told this factory direct order was the last for a while, how long can be anyone's guess. The Tecnolux Tri-4500 was a factory mfg direct order as well. Just like anything, if you work with neon plan on ALL your orders to be mfg direct be it FMS, EGL, or Tecnolux because not many sign suppliers stock neon anymore.

In order.

The removal of my favorite little neon sign.

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While we were on site for the sign removal we just went ahead and drilled the new signs mounting holes with a roll of my favorite Westrim gridded pattern paper.

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Some fresh from fab pics.

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My fab guy wasn't happy with me

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This raceway/cabinet we divided into three parts, the top two and bottom smaller cab. It just made it easier for me to move around, paint, and install since sign fabrication and installation is not my full time gig anymore.

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The universal access doors complete with clips

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The railing system for the easy transformer mounting and any future servicing

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The Transformer Tray for the Transco UNT Tank

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The Transco UNT Tank on the tray and rail system

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Assembly

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The Transco Porcelain #200 Housings, not the cheap thin walled flimbsy glass non-U.L. knock-off 200 housings that have recently flooded the market place. These are PORCELAIN...built to last the ages! Toggle Disconnect Switch's, and Transco porcelain Federal Bushings

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Those small letter details makes my fingers hurt just looking at them. I think I need to make a special batch of IPA Beer just for my metal fab guy and beg for forgiveness!!

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A few days before the day of installation I decided to install the small bottom cabinet to save me time.

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My little helper bolting the Transco UNT Tanks to the trays

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Loading up for the install day

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Bolting the two halves together and rigging up the sign for the crane

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"Up up and away sign"

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For the brick wall I used a small lumber board pre-drilled to guide the Boshe Hammer drill so I can get as close to accurate holes without the chance of any drifting for the all-thread which will secure the sign. But I had to ream one hole out, guess one hole had a mind of its own.

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Up!

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Getting ready to place the neon units which are pre equipped with brass electrode caps and silicone 200 housing caps.

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Top shot of the military grade all 100% copper, variable secondary loading Transco UNT Tanks. Five in total. Four for the lettering and parameter accent border, one to completely load the third bottom cabinet

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Snipping all the access tie wire

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Calling it a day.

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All in all I still have fun with these projects when I get the opportunity to do from time to time. What is that famous quote that's said, something along the lines of "If you enjoy what you do, then you will never have to work a day in your life" That phrase fits most of the time.

I'll have to find some time real soon and take some night pics to post back.

Final recipe

Matthews Paint

Tecnolux Ruby Red

Tecnolux Tri-White 4500

FMS Tube Supports

Transco Brass Electrode Housing Caps

Transco Porcelain TC200 Housings

Transco Porcelain Federal Bushings

Transco To Go Disconnect Toggle Switches

Transco To Go 15KV Variable Neon UNT Tank Transformers

Transco To Go Silicone GTO

Transco HV Housing Caps

Blood, Sweat, and this time.....no Tears


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Couple comments from the peanut gallery. NICE!! Yeah, I'll just bet your metal man loves you - but he did a damnnice job on those bitchy letters. Better treat him well. Glad you cut down on the four rows of neon that you were originally talking about also. You made it much easier, neon wise, and much cleaner. Looking forward to the night pics. In the one pic showing the neon, caps, and boots - I really think the boots were upside down for the install? You could have had the crane truck jusst a bit further from the wall though -- he then could have used all his stick. Can't you reserve parking spaces in your town? Glad the son is learning how to work - but PLEASE, get him interested in something besides the sign trade! Also notice that Kgirl isn't on site - get tired of her getting hurt on the job?

Nice, clean job ---- again!

gn

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One last thing - nice thing to do is to makr on inside of cover which section of sign is controlled by each transformer - keeps from guessing when you get old and senile.

Also, are my eyes deceiving me or is the material used actually sheet metal letters and sign?

gn

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That's what I'm talking about. Keep on promoting that unbeatable neon appeal done right. Nice design. Backlighting on that brick might have been cool.

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Back lighting would have looked real cool ---

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Couple comments from the peanut gallery. NICE!! Yeah, I'll just bet your metal man loves you - but he did a damnnice job on those bitchy letters. Better treat him well. Glad you cut down on the four rows of neon that you were originally talking about also. You made it much easier, neon wise, and much cleaner. Looking forward to the night pics. In the one pic showing the neon, caps, and boots - I really think the boots were upside down for the install? You could have had the crane truck jusst a bit further from the wall though -- he then could have used all his stick. Can't you reserve parking spaces in your town? Glad the son is learning how to work - but PLEASE, get him interested in something besides the sign trade! Also notice that Kgirl isn't on site - get tired of her getting hurt on the job?

Nice, clean job ---- again!

gn

Thanks!

The black caps I actually pre-installed on each neon lamp turned inside out so when I place the lamps all I have to do is lightly nudge them forward and they will whip and snap around the porcelain housing...waaalaaa, done, no need to spend time trying to wrap the silicone cap on them.

As for the crane, right? Damn parking sucks, this location is surrounded by bars and clubs so it's usually a car that came to one of the venues then cabbed it home. And YES, I have no plans on passing anything down to them unless they REALLY want to do this stuff. Funny thing is my two oldest have great interest in it, oh lord!

Kirstie, yeah I told her there was a chance that she could break a nail and she wanted nothing to do with it. Although I almost had to use here for the small cabinet install day. She came close to answering the "Call of duty"

One last thing - nice thing to do is to makr on inside of cover which section of sign is controlled by each transformer - keeps from guessing when you get old and senile.

Also, are my eyes deceiving me or is the material used actually sheet metal letters and sign?

gn

Now that I think about it I should have labeled which disconnect switch is for what part of the sign, I have three separate circuits across two lines form the panel. But as for the Trannies, if you were to just look down each one is installed for two to three letters so it's easy to figure out what goes where. BUT, this sign won't be getting any kind of a maintenance soon, when it ever does I'll be collecting social security.

It's sheet metal but a special batch of treated Jet Plate / Galvanized deal, not sure on exact details but I did leave out the details of having to drive almost 2 hours up east of LA to pick this stuff up because it's no longer sold in San Diego.

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That's what I'm talking about. Keep on promoting that unbeatable neon appeal done right. Nice design. Backlighting on that brick might have been cool.

It was a thought but my client pushed that aside because if you loot at the two lamps above the wall those are some LED wall washers and he plans on adding much more so it should be interesting for a night shot once everything is all illuminated


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Paint lok sheet metal perhaps? Why 3 circuits? Because you could? Out of curiosity, it looks like units are one piece? What's the footage on first and last large letters? Nice neon work also. By Garrett, hopefully?

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Those letters are soldered? I don't see a lip on return for spot weld?

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The 5 Trannies are pulling about 18 amps or so it's split between two lines from the panel. The bottom cab shares a line with the upper right cab but has it's own disconnect located at the bottom, the left side has it's own circuit but both disconnects for the top cabs are on the right side.

Neon is by Al Skalar's old shop, when I was getting this going Garett wasn't feeling up 100% since his Brain Tumor removal.


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Those letters are soldered? I don't see a lip on return for spot weld?

Letter backs are spot welded to the returns. Oh I think I know what you're saying and seen, on the 1st post at the top of the unfinished letters. The lip or flange from the returns is only like 1/4" or 3/16", very, very small


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Thanks. Been a long time since I'd seen anyone solder.

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Looks nice, Glad you went with the 18mm white. It stands out even though it's only 3mm larger than the typical out line glass.

Nice job.


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Looks great and only 1 comment on the install.... OSHA will love to see you in a lift without the chain across the entrance... If you were in CT I can bet they would be calling at your door after one of your competitors sent them the photos. Photoshop those 2 pix...

But man a very nice sign.

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EXCELLENT sign job. Really a nice piece of work.

Installations.....I would love to have that much space to work in. 85% of our work is blocked by something.

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Thanks guys! I don't get the opportunity to do exposed neon that often so when I do it's a true treat for sure. @ Gary, the footage for the "M" I wanna say is 25'....I think. Placing that letter stressed me for sure being 12mm and REAL expensive glass. The M and O is on a 15, the O,N and left border is on a 15. The S, H and right border on a 15 and the last letters INE on a 15, the complete bottom cab on a 15 too

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Waiting for night pics. I'm trying to imagine what good the LED wall wash directly above the cabinet will do.

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Fabulous design, Erik! Would like to see nights too. Trying to imagine why he would want wall washers to take away from your beautiful neon job.

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Thanks! Actually they were already there from when I installed the previous sign. Their red I think too

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I owed you all an update here it is. I need to get some professional shots done but this is pretty accurate.

It's a nice subtle sign at night. The 18mm 4500 Tecnolux Tri White did a perfect job in my opinion and did not overwhelm the 12mm Ruby Red, thanks Sean!!!

Look how fat that 18mm looks! LoL

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Also, in real time the red wall washers really add to the building and sign.


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nice night shot, Told you it would look nice with the "larger" glass. Your typical neon guy will cringe at anything larger than 15mm. Poohey on them. more neon signs would look great with the larger diameter glass. borders in 20 or 25mm look great. problem is that most tiny pump systems cant sucessfully process cathode tubes.

Kudos on the job again. At least someone took my advice LOL


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Quite nice!

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