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Had a customer send this to us by email, maybe they'll chime in a tell us more but...

It's simple, they're replacing cheap plastic LED power supplies made in CHINA with better quality, better thermal cooling LED Power Supplies...OUR Union Korean Made LED Power Supplies.

Our 60 watt (displayed above) is IP68, Recognized by UL as Class II (SAM) and for Wet Location.  These are versatile, you can use in a box or sign structure, or use externally.  Most importantly you can breath easy when your UL Inspector surprises you with a visit and sees these units, including our 120watt version which is one of the few approved and listed in the SAM

The cheap plastic Chinese LED Power Supplies by Principal LED & others are great for areas that have good cooling like external fans or for your kids school science projects but not in closed areas where ventilation is not great.  The "cheapies" are attractive for the price at $12 or less, but not great for consumers who have to pay the service bill of a crane and labor to replace because as professionals we know these only last for short periods of time.

 

"Buy the best and only cry once"

 

 


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