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Hello Eugene I realy don't have a good reply for what you are going thru. I can relate to the sales droping thing.. alot of the sign co. that we use to work for are gone and that is hard to replace and even the larger shops are having a bad time but they won't admit it. at one time not so long ago we were a good size production shop.. only taking the big jobs passing on the little ones.. had a big ego.. Worked for a long list of major players in this industry, and was sitting on top of the world. but like you said 2008 came, for us it started in 2007. the bottom droped out banks froze all the credit up,the housing thing, toxic assets, goverment steped in, made the banks take there money to jump start the econmy, banks still did not lend money to the companies that need it. they closed up or filed to protect what they had, in some cases worth more dead than alive.then eventualy sold off, and that left the people they owed money to holding the bag. then the hole process started over again. the compainies that were owed money from all the service and install started to fail, more layoffs,less income,then eventualy closed up. sorry to rant, but I lived thru it and all I can say is. keep your head high, always beleive in your self, and no matter how bad you think you have it someone else is worse off than you are. Just remember.. They can take away all you stuff, but they can not take away the stuff you know. Thats is my quote and that is what I live by today. keep plugging along Mike NSW Systems LLC.