Sign Lady

Hahaha - You would be surprised how often I hear "is there somebody else there I can talk to?" My husband gets on the phone and tells them the EXACT same thing I just told them (him) and they say "okay". I think it must be my southern accent. LOL ..... WOW - seeing that in color REALLY makes my decision for me. I am not going to sell this guy something that he is going to look at me in a year and wonder why it looks so bad. Just not going to do it. Because when it goes South he won't remember all of the conversations we have had about it not being a good idea to change it out. He will just insist that I fix it. Given the costs I have already gotten for the LED (not including labor), not going to eat it, that's for sure - and that's what he would expect me to do. The install there currently is a REALLY BAD version of the conventional shown above. They have entirely too many feet per transformer for starters is the main thing we have found - but I believe it is 18mm glass. I will have to pull the work folder and look at the survey. I am currently working on the diagrams to get the EXACT linear feet drawn out - been using "close" numbers up to this point just for pricing sake. I will send you one when I finish it and that way we can compare real world instead of hypotheticals just for shits and giggles. hahaha I SO appreciate you sending this to me - hopefully it will be enough to convince him to stay with the neon.

My main worry here IS the heat. Also, this stuff is in "channels" that traps both heat and water really bad - that's a lot of what is going on with the neon. The installer did a really shoddy job of installing to prevent a lot of what is happening to this neon. They have just spent SO much money on servicing the neon. I have tried to explain that had it been installed properly they wouldn't be having the problems they are having. But you know how some people are - if somebody sells them on something like LED (especially a man vs a woman like me - most men don't realize I know what I am talking about - he thinks the man he is talking to knows more than I do) it is hard to change their minds. I have given every BAD reason not to change over that I can think of. ROI is the main one for me. I don't think he will ever have one. I think the stuff will go bad before he ever realizes a penny back.

Erik, I am finding that this LED retro is going to be bad ALL around both in initial cost, ROI and longevity. Do you have any hard numbers you can send me on the test you have been doing that I could share with this customer to change his mind? I am having a hard time getting him to listen to me. I think if I had some hard numbers from a test like yours that has good, long results over a long period of time it would be very helpful in getting him back on my side. Somebody at another sign company has him believing I am wrong about the neon vs LED.

This stuff was installed back in 2003 VERY POORLY. The new owner, rather than starting from scratch with the neon, wanted a quote for LED. It may be that we go the start from scratch with the neon, but I have to give him the quote on the LED.

Thanks! I think Tubelite may. I am going to want to check with you in a week or so on purchasing some of the white LED you showed in a photo back a few months ago for a project I have coming up. You sell that, right?

Do you sell it??

Hi guys! Need to see what the rest of you are using for the following application. I have a TON of neon on a Checkers Restaurant the customer wants to replace with rope or rigid LED sticks to get rid of the neon that is constantly in need of service. Any recommendations? This is exterior and has to make corners (rounded corners with a radius) Thanks for any input!

I clicked on the post with the photos in it to quote and it quoted yours instead for some reason. My response was to the post about the photos being posted to Google Earth, not yours. Sorry it didn't post to the correct post.

I'm the sign company that cleaned it up, so no, it wasn't posted by us. I don't know who that Joe person is that posted it. Like you said, likely the man the car belonged to (it actually belonged to a rental company!!). I think their insurance companies were refusing to pay for their cars!! I know the woman driving the silver car had been told by her insurance company that they weren't paying for hers. But to answer your question, yes, the foundation was still in the ground in tact and yes, it did break at the weld location I posted in my photo.

And I feel sure that the foundation wasn't looked at or anything prior to. That is just one of my thoughts. Thanks! Angie

I think there were a couple of reasons. I would be interested to see what you guys think the reason was based on the photos I posted. Probably the same as mine, but just to see, what do some of you think is the reason for the failure?Just an FYI - both faces were in tact when it fell - Actually not too old either because of a face change a couple of years ago. Signs at the same height and higher ALL around this one that are still standing tall and were subjected to the same windage for the same amount of time. (it is at the interstate - Florence exit where all of the motels worth staying in Florence are basically - this one has motels on ALL sides of it with high rise signs) Just curious what some of you think. Forgot to tell you that the huge LED message centers were added years after the sign was originally installed! Thanks! Angie

I was just basically posting to show the damage done by the sign when it fell, and to tell about the gentleman that was sitting in the car when it fell on it.

No, just a sustained 80-90 for an extended period of time. It started early evening and basically went all night and into the next morning.

I have NO IDEA what was going on with my computer yesterday - I attached photos to this and then it went haywire and posted the thing like 20 times! I see this morning that it didn't even post the photos. This computer has been in the shop like 4 times since the hurricane. Me thinks it needs to go again! Here are the photos so the above message will make more sense. Thanks! Angie

Been meaning to post this, but just haven't had time. If anybody believes in miracles, here is one for you. There was a man SITTING in the car to the far right when this sign fell on it!! He still had his left foot on the ground getting into the car and his wife was on the way down to get in the car. Had she been just a few minutes on time (she was running late) she would have been dead and had he been a few minutes earlier, he would have been too probably. The poor woman the silver car belonged to, her insurance company refused payment to replace and or repair her car!! Said they weren't responsible.

What fun that must have been, Erik! I would have loved to go to a rally, but he never came close enough for me to make one. I can just imagine how much fun that was. The media portrayed all of the rally goers as all white, racist pigs fighting all over the place. I knew that was a lie. Pretty much everything they wrote and said this election cycle was!! I "campaigned" among my friends on Facebook, but I didn't go beyond that until after the election. Hahaha - I just didn't know who I would piss off - and owning a business, you have to walk that line you know. But I was the same, after the election, I found out that WAY more people were for Trump than I even anticipated. Apparently there was that silent majority that didn't speak up and tell pollsters or anybody else for that matter that they supported Trump. Anyway - I hope he continues to do those rallies after he takes office like he said he is and I hope I get to go to one of those.

I agree with you 100% - I think we are getting ready to see Washington turned on its head and We the People will come first again. It has been a LONG time since that has been the case, in my humble opinion. Those that aren't believers, I hope will give this man a chance at the least, and say job well done when he makes America greater again. He fought the hardest battle I have ever seen a candidate fight - for a job that he doesn't even want to be paid for. If for nothing else, he has EARNED the respect and chance to do what he has told us he will do. I for one believe him wholeheartedly. Snoochie, I know its hard not to be cynical with the past 8 years in the rear view mirror (only another 60 days or so to go!! wooo hoooo), but I think if you will give Donald Trump a fair shake, he is going to do great things even for ALL Americans. Those of us that own small businesses should be THRILLED - I know I am.

I am just so delighted that I don't feel by myself in feeling like that anymore!! That has made my day almost as much as his winning Tuesday night did!! Thanks!! I truly think he is going to do great things. He didn't even know what the salary was. Hahaha - How many people would have taken the abuse he did for a job they didn't even know or care how much it paid?? None of the other Republicans, I can assure you of that.

My sentiments exactly. For FAR to long people in Washington have forgotten the businessman unless they wanted more tax money from them. We FINALLY have somebody in there that gives a care about business, profits and the SMALL business like mine. I am more hopeful after Tuesday's election than I have been in a very LONG time. I cannot even begin to imagine what a Clinton administration would have done to my business. It has barely survived Obama. Can you imagine if Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush (or any of the other 17 for that matter) would have had to fight the fight from all sides like Donald Trump did?? None of them would have won the battle. We would have a Madame President this morning rather than President-Elect Republican - Donald Trump is the only one that had the balls to stand up - in their faces - and beat them. I for one am excited to see an outsider come in and take the foot off of our necks so we can start doing business again. Instead of having to worry about an avalanche of new regulations every time you turn around that you almost have to hire one person just to keep up with and the tax breaks that he is going to give us so we don't have to spend what little we do make on taxes. These people that worry about what he said over a decade ago need to get over it. He is a man that was raised in a very different generation than those that want the PC world around them all of the time. He is FAR from PC, and that's why I like him so much. These little college kids out rioting, that don't even know what the hell they are rioting for, that want their exams canceled, their safe places, their therapy dogs and their scream sessions because they are upset over the results of an election need to grow the hell up and move on. If they belonged to me, they would have their butts in a chair in class!! Rant over. Hahaha

SO, whom exactly did you think would do anything differently? The reason Trump purchases and manufactures from China is because you can't get anything manufactured in the US for a descent price. I think if everybody would just calm the hell down and give the man a chance, he will show them that they are wrong. I have faith that he is going to do what he says he is. Hell, we sure can't do any worse that what we have had!!!

Thanks a bunch!

Thanks guys!!

Yes. Steel high rise, telescopic poles

Hi guys! Who are you buying your steel/telescopic poles from? My vendor went out of business!! Thanks! Angie

Hi guys! Who are you buying your steel/telescopic poles from? My vendor went out of business!! Thanks! Angie