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  1. From the album: TDH custom signage

    Custom NEON display mounted over c-channel installed banner. Website illuminated with LED's in custom box behind banner.

    © TDH

  2. This is a story that was posted on our site here back in August of last year, but with more infomation. Looking into the story more closely that were provided a lot does not add up, maybe someone can correct me, if I'm wrong. Genesee Beer Sign Relit with LEDs I think the sign installers just got themselves into a bind, I sure don't know what information Garston Sign Supply supplied them has to say, it's a good idea to retrofit a classic open channel letter sign that has red neon, to LEDs. But in a couple of years they will have an unhappy customer, and this sign will be re-retrofitted. Maybe it's a good thing they left the glass housing receptacle holes in place. There are signs that can be retrofitted with LEDs, and there are signs that you just don't do, this Genesee Beer Sign is one of them. Why do you ask? Here's the question that should have been asked going into this project, and something that should have been brought up. Does saving in energy for a new light source that regularly degrades in time, outweigh the other existing light source that does not degrade in light output? Maybe Victory Sign, Mower & Associates, Davis Marketing, or Gartson Sign Supply don't know. I dont think the owners of Genesee Beer are going to be excited with a re-retrofit bill in the near future. If I'm the owner of Genesee Beer, the ROI in an expensive upfront cost to gut and retrofit this sign with flexible LEDs to gain a little savings in power every year will never happen, it's like that boat that never ports, the golden parachute that never lands. Because in a few years, the project term will be, "Re-Retrofit". The least expensive route to this project WOULD have been to simply and efficiently "re-engineer" the existing neon system, make runs closer together, make sure there is proper drains and ventilation holes, check for reliable and proper loading, remake all new glass or BETTER YET use the old glass (maybe even anneal it too) and add new electrodes preserving that old uniqueness, neon glass is CHEAP! Whammo! Done! Red Neon does not degrade in light because it's only Glass and Gas, it's not even susceptible to ambient temperatures. NOW that would have been a story, "We preserved this sign in it's original form by taking down the classic neon glass made way back in 1952, and simply removed the electrodes and repumped it". IMO Neon Project @ 380 linear feet 3.6 watts per foot = 1,368 watts $719.00 @12 hrs a day for 365 days to operate 11 Transformers = $990.00 New Wholesale Glass = $1,710.00 ****Much cheaper on glass cost for just adding new electrodes to old glass Total $2,700.00 SloanLED Flexibrite @380 linear feet 2.8 watts per foot = 1,064 watts $532.60 @ 12 hrs a day for 365 days a year to operate 22 Power Sources = $1,914.00 SloanLED Flexibrite = $7,075.00 ***Does not include the price of glue, clips, andcaps and wiring Total $8,985.00 ROI: 48 years In the media link it's said the the Beer company only pays $26 a month in energy now, that's not possible, it would be more around $46 to $50, and the consumption is not double over using neon Between the 48 years how many times will this project need to re-retrofitted? In the current state of product I'd say, at least 7 times just being generous. I just hope one day someone can't say, remember "Citgo"?
  3. With left over surplus LEDs from jobs and the test comparisons, small power supplies removed from sign removals, left over .080 scrap aluminum, 3/16" red acrylic, and 1"x1"x1" alum channels I threw together these yesterday. Some quick mini Underscore channel signs as Christmas presents to family and friends. Some I can hard wire in to kitchens etc, some I made ready to plug into the wall with makeshift disconnect switches. Wish I would have had some low voltage PS wall plug in's but for a last minute thought, this is not bad. Wish I would have had some low voltage PS wall plug-in units, my last 1/8" alum router bit broke and had to use a 3/16" which gave me less shape and definition for inside the letters but for a last minute thought, this is not bad. LEDs • Eurocom • LumiText • NC LED • ZLight Tech These suckers are bright, that's why these LEDs perform well in our tests.
  4. Been talking to a number of Sign Distributors and I have to shake my head when I hear of the big number of large national accounts that are usually bought and sold by the LED module manufacturers. We all know the usual suspect LED manufacturers that run around to these large corporate chains (banks, food & retails) who market direct to what used to be our clients, which circumvents us the Sign Manufacturers in testing and evaluating what should work best for OUR national sign accounts. I think it's been a HUGE, monstrous mistake on the part of the national retail, corporations, and banks to let a light source manufacturer sell them on one light source to fit all. It's throwing all your eggs into one basket "hoping" that light source holds up, and is a good return on investment over time, and of course compared to what else is in the market, even in different light sources. But what do they know? They get an expensive power point presentation along with an impressive dog and pony show, which isn't honest most of the time, it just favors what they're pimping. I've seen a lot of National accounts go bad around town, most of the time it's with poorly lit, but expensive light source LED modules, maybe it should have even been Neon as a light source instead. A lot of times, the specification is COMPLETELY wrong, and it's something that was over sold, a project sold on very bad information, and very bad MISLEADING information. These end clients who USED to be be fully ours, the food, retail and bank chains in choosing what components works best in our experience in case history . As a sign company who has decades, scores, maybe even the rare century of track record and experience who see's first hand and even knowingly is forced to purchase components we know not to be very good, or efficient is needed to complete large contracts in order to keep our business's going and growing. But, now the big question. What steps can be made to take/bring that specification process back to the professionals, and away from these large light source manufacturers who know better than us????? Nobody knows better than us, after all, we don't use one specific light source for everything we do, well if you're a true professional of the trade you don't. We've seen light sources prevail and widely fail. Similarly to the testing we do here on the Sign Syndicate in light testing a number of large sign companies do their measuring with them. I've see, and heard too many times knowing the results with the light products here the mismatching of products to application. As a sign company who comes across a large invitation to bid, what do you do when you see a specified component that you know isn't the right for the sign application? Maybe it's a inefficient product, too pricey vs quality, or you know it has a bad case history? What can we do as an industry to bring this decision, the R&D back to the sign companies and bypass the LED manufacturers who hype, mislead, who can at times mismanage our clients, or potential clients? What are you doing, or are you just nodding your head ignoring the potential mistake and submitting your bids? Would it help to bring the testing we do here in large high powered (Great White Hope), mid & mini (Project Tighty Whitey) light sources, Red Light District & Border Security in specialty light sources and even our future sign cabinet light source testing more to the forefront for even our end clients to see and monitor for themselves? Instead of keeping it so internal and within ourselves? That way they can see and witness what we do in measuring Neon, LEDs, and Fluorescent lamp technologies? Can this one aspect help and be a potential tool to point OUR clients to in aiding the sign program/specification process? What else can be done to take our industry back to shed a "good" light in the evening times? It won't be asked or addressed anywhere else unfortunately.
  5. AxiomLED has introduced a new 144 Watt LED power supply. The new product is designed for 90-277 Volt AC universal input and 24 Volt DC output. We are seeing a lot more interest in our 24 Volt power supplies. The power supply is IP68 rated and can be mounted up to 10 meters/30 feet under water. The product is UL Recognized. See more: https://store.axiomled.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PS144HD24
  6. The American Sign Museum gets a $900,000 donation from an "anonymous" donor so it can complete it's long anticipated permanent home. Hmmmmmm, why would a donation so huge be SO anonymous? What is there to hide? A little odd, is it not? What IS interesting is. On one side of the fence you have a brother creating antiquities by the way he mis-characterizes neon and surrenders the typewriter to his advertisers in the form of obligation pieces in his brochure magazine, to the likes of individuals like "Magic Mouth", the "New England Sign Spinner", or just about anyone who will claim that they can save end clients money by using LEDs and saving 90% in energy consumption. Throwing Neon and Fluorescent lamp technology under the bus with false claims of Mercury Dangers, and LEDs as a clean light sources sold under "green" in his "Signs Fiction", ummm, "Signs of The Times" brochure rag. Then opposite of the Community Organizer you have the "Signtologist", who just got a mysterious large anonymous donation of $900k which made a new dream possible. I like antiques too, but let's not "Create" them! One creates, one exhibits. Lastly, I think I vomited in my mouth a little bit here when I read it. The Sign Hugger finally gets her presidency for the California Sign Association. It was bound to happen sooner or later right? A Hippie throw back, Green (I mean Red) marketer just got elevated. Someone who executes statements but never explains them, another regurgitated multi-assoc. member name and face of other places & events, IS once again in charge of something. How can someone be in so many places at once? This I would like to know. Will we EVER see new faces? These associations need a serious face lift, not a small nick and tuck. Like California needs another environmentalist wacko at the top of something. Not that I really SHOULD care, I would never be an association member but she did say that "Green" is a migration, not a trend and we all better get used to it, *Cough* Cap & Trade *Cough*.... *Cough* Solyndra *Cough*, oh my, gotta clear my throat. I sure hope people at CSA has stocked up with plenty of Broccoli, and their manur...errrrr, work boots. It's going to get thick in there with constant FaceBook and Twitter "Green", and saving the planet announcements! Look around everyone, YOU are the movers and shapers of this industry! Now listen to what I need YOU to know....and believe! I'm just not a big broccoli eater myself
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