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  1. 4 points
  2. 4 points
    So, I've been meaning to post this, so what better time than while it's fresh in my head. I get these from time to time....I think I've mentioned it a couple of times, or maybe I haven't. I received a email shortly after the ISA show from a National Sign Company we were at. Their known for their.....not so good payment schedule. In short they asked me to remove the content about their company on my board, and that it was for the most part untrue, and in most cases under normal circumstances most are paid by 60 days. I'm not going to mention the name of the company, it's not important and email exchange was short. It appears that it all sparked from whatever happened at the ISA Show. I'm not sure if possibly they were a company that took part at the meet and greet, or it was brought up in other ways, maybe over a dinner meeting. Anyhow, my response was basically that if you stick to your promised payment schedule then there shouldn't be any issues. Issues usually happen when companies promise terms then go over that. I also let them know that if they're doing business in states like California (which they are), by law subs have to be paid in 30 days. I also let them know that executing contracts and subbing installs and service work in states like CA is illegal if they do not have a contractors license in those states. In a reply I asked why they go beyond 30 days in the first place. In states like mine (CA) it's the responsibility of the General Contractor to obtain a line of credit to pay Subcontractors if need be, NOT use subs as a line of credit and only paying them once THEY get paid....which in states like CA is also illegal. IN fact in order to get a contractor license in my state you have to have a certain amount of cash flow in your bank account, and you must be bonded ($15K last I looked) which a consumer or sub can go after for unpaid bills or as a fix Lastly in that same reply, I also relayed the fact that it's ridiculous that some Nationals ask Subcontractors that work for them to sign away their lean rights. ( I didn't aim this question at them because I didn't know if they require this, but i just mentioned it as lately it seems like a normal thing to get a sub to sign). Though I doubt a judge would even abide by that as even that is illegal in my state and why there are preliminary lean notices before project work and lean release once paid by subs Well, that's where communication pretty much stopped. I'm posting this because it seems that what we are doing here, coming together and opening up a line of communication about one of our industry's biggest problem IS having an impact....clearly. It hasn't been the first email or call I've received from an unhappy National. At the ISA Shows, I'll say it's thee biggest compliment we get in passing or by those that meet with us is the National Sign & Service Install Review Forum, and having the courage to host such a thing on the Sign Syndicate. My point is this. It's probably the most active used part of this site, but by those who just use it, they need to participate in it more actively rather than just read what someone else wrote about a particular company they may be checking up on. More need to actually participate and give their own feedback for others as well and not be so passive...reciprocate the help. Keep updating your experiences with these companies, whether it's positive or negative, because obviously.....everything we have been doing here is working for our industry
  3. 3 points
    there's always a surprise inside
  4. 3 points
    BTW this is a nationwide epidemic getting skilled labor and people that will work.
  5. 3 points
    Yes this is very sad to everyone. The " Good Guy " just trying to do the right thing. The other issue is .........These Message Center Sign Companies who sell to the General Public. ( The Florida Specials ) They advertise and sell directly to the Schools, Churches and Public. They sell the sign and send them the 15 Minute Video on how to install it. " You can do it " advice.
  6. 3 points
    Sooner or later they (employees) always take advantage of a great situation. I allow my employees to build small projects for themselves, not for resale. If they need something for their kids team, a B Day, Anniversary... I'm cool with that. I let them work on their vehicles, borrow a trailer and truck to move. But when it comes to money, regardless of the amount. If it's happening in my shop, it's my money.
  7. 3 points
    But the lady on Pinterest said they do this ALL THE TIME
  8. 2 points
    I am a good installer, so I hired myself =0) Been doing it for 6 yrs now. Started supporting all the local sign shops, got so busy I had to convince my dad to retire from the postal service and work for me. Now I'm grooming my son an nephew! Fully agree with going outside the industry. I started life as a mechanic. I love being an installer because no one is ever sad to see the sign guy show up and get to work bringing their business to life! After getting a look into the back door of several sign companies I see the issues they face and feel for them....but I also see some self inflicted wounds. Installers tend to be the end of the whip and have to make up for all of the timing issues through out the project. Its hard to want to work hard when your not set up for success. There are a few sign companies with killer processes (sales all the way through end of project fully mapped out) and have seen great success with hiring, training and retaining sign installers.
  9. 2 points
    Frustrated 1st thing in the morning leaves the entire day to really get pissed off. When people ask me " How many employees do you have working for you " ? I answer " About half " That is the reality of being a business owner If this was easy, everyone would do it.
  10. 2 points
    It is very simple. Pay your Invoices when the job is completed and agreed on. Without the Sub Contractor Sign Companies, The Nationals FAIL. There are many Nationals who pay well and pay on time. GREAT JOB ERIK,
  11. 2 points
    I think he's jokingly referring to the National Sign Co meet and greet If only ISA checked out the credit history of those National Sign & Service companies that they have attend their function, and of course stop handing out long time achievement awards to them, especially since they continue to poorly pay their subcontractors on various projects around the country. If only...
  12. 2 points
    it's a shame that Michaels would allow this, someone should send it to corporate
  13. 2 points
    As a wholesaler we here it almost every day.....So and so used to sell it to us for..... Yes and thats why they are out of business. I am so glad I dont do retail work as the asshole customers will drop you for 20 bucks for the bucket truck guy above. I wish he would have just been another lawn mowing company. In a few months he will be gone and a real shop will have to go back a fix his fix.
  14. 2 points
    This is a no win for the owner. Yes I allow my employees to make their own projects for their own usage. They can do it on their time only They let me know before they start and tell me what it is for and what they are going to use. In General, I have no real concerns or problems. If it keeps everyone happy, so be it. Here is the problems........ It amazes me how fast they get their work completed, start to finish. Why cant they do my work as fast ? I let them use everything and anything they need to. Complete access to everything. I ask that they pay for all new materials, ( Sometimes ) Otherwise I hope they use scraps if they can When they have to reach into their pockets to pay, it becomes a fight on material costs. Ask about Labor Costs and they will tell how many minutes they used. Forget about any damages to my equipment, Don't go there because it would have happened at anytime. You cant win on this subject. When I see them abuse the " Benefits " I stop it.
  15. 1 point
    I just have to say - NOW I have seen it all. Check this out! You can't make this stuff up. My guys found this yesterday!
  16. 1 point
    Now Hiring Experienced Sign Installers and Service Techs in Tyler Texas *SIGN ON BONUS* *LOWER COST OF LIVING* *AWARD-WINNING SCHOOLS* Do you have previous sign installation experience? Are you a highly motivated and safety conscious individual? Are you looking for a career with an established and fast-growing company? If so, we’re looking for talented and professional candidates who are focused on teamwork, task completion, and customer satisfaction. If you're looking for a rewarding career, not just another job, then come join our team as a Sign Installation Specialist! Design Center Signs a Comet Signs Company is one of the largest and fastest growing signage and graphics firms in Texas located in in the beautiful piney woods area of East Texas. Now part of the Comet Signs family, our resources and opportunities have accelerated our success even more! We need SIGN INSTALLERS and SERVICE TECHNICIANS to join our award-winning team in Tyler. Ideal candidates will have the following prior experience, including: mobile crane operation, sign installation, electrical maintenance, welding, valid CDL class A, ability to pass drug test and background check. Journeyman Electrician (or Sign Electrician) license is a plus. We offer competitive pay, insurance, vacation, paid holidays and workers comp. SIGN ON BONUS (and possible relocation assistance) for those that want a career and are ready to go to work! If you like fishing, hunting and recreation of all types near lakes, forests and hills, this is one of the most picturesque places in the state to call home. Comet Signs, LLC offers the following benefits: Medical, Dental, Vision, and Life 401k with match PTO 7 Holidays Referral Incentives Competitive compensation depending on experience To apply: Email responses are encouraged with attached resume robin.patterson@cometsigns.com In persons at 3245 W. Grande Blvd. Tyler, Texas 75703 Monday -- Friday 8am -- 4pm Fax resume to 210-341-7279 We are an EOE employer.
  17. 1 point
    Ah, the old "you can't get good help these days" song. I sing it, my father sang it, Moses (no relation though my kids think that he apprenticed under me) probably sang it too. Yes, good installers are hard to find. The good ones have steady jobs and aren't interested in talking to you. The bad ones will tell you that they have worked for this shop (but got laid off), for that shop (which closed down), that other place (fired this time for using the company CC*), cut trees for a few years, spent time in jail (or rehab or on the lam from a wife or..). Hmm, but can you give a guy a 2nd chance? Don't you mean 22nd? It's an uphill battle. Paul - I love that comment. However, at times I think half is being generous. UFB - LOVE LOVE LOVE that graphic. * - relative of my wife really did get fired for running up "ONLY $2500.00" on the company CC for personal expenses and seriously couldn't understand why he got canned, and why he ended up in court. He would have paid it back eventually. SIGH.
  18. 1 point
    We have used them on 4 different units. Very easy to install. excellent customer service Kendra is great to work with. Customer support is outstanding with end user as well
  19. 1 point
    We rarely hire from within the industry, unless we poach them from another shop.
  20. 1 point
    "...about half..." When I visit local shops, it's entertaining to see the ones that have bounced around from shop to shop and think to myself *oh boy*. They're the ones that give owners the headache. They have bad habits..bad work ethic, probably never learned the right way, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, they find ways to stretch the clock, and now they're at a new shop repeating what happened at other places of employment
  21. 1 point
    I agree with you about companies that install signs without a permit. They are just hoping the check clears before the City notices it ... then they can start blocking the customer's calls. It happens. The City of Dallas Chief Building Official was talking to me about four weeks ago about a company that installed a big LED sign right off the highway without getting a permit. The City has restricted LED signs quite a bit (in a ridiculous manner, if you ask me) and this LED sign was not legal under the current ordinance. He wanted my opinion on what it would take to pull the sign down. I came across another one on the southern part of the City where we needed to change a face on the sign and I was shocked that they were ever allowed to install the sign so close to the property line. So I pulled an Open Records request (it's easy to do in Dallas) and found they never did pull a permit. Yet another time, in Arlington, I was called out to service a neon sign (this was a few years ago) and when I got there everything was exposed, no conduit, etc. Well, Arlington does on-site inspections so I called the Inspector (great guy, we've dealt with him for years and he's always been incredibly helpful) and asked him how this managed to pass inspection. He told me they never got a permit in the first place. The part that bothers me the most is if that customer came to me asking for a sign I wouldn't get the order because I know I can't permit it. The dishonest guy gets the order but the customer ultimately pays the price.
  22. 1 point
    That's what sucks the most. When OSHA catches one of these jackasses doing something so assanine, the rest of us pay for it because then OSHA puts a microscope up the rest of our backsides.
  23. 1 point
    Thats because a “service coordinations company” called and said we will give you 300 shinny bucks NTE
  24. 1 point
    That is horrific, Heartbreaking. I Pray the Lord Jesus bless the boy for the rest of his days.
  25. 1 point
    This is the perfect illustration of why this business is in the shape that its in
  26. 1 point
    Building another New SX 62 Manitex by STAMM Buying a new truck requires a lot of planning and designing with the Manufacturer. Everything is custom made to our needs. It is all photographed and documented for future service and repairs if needed. A good relationship is needed and complete trust is required Same qualities are needed for buying used equipment from a reputable company Stay with the big Named Companies and you will get satisfaction and reliability.
  27. 1 point
    Steve is right it is a ABC flex system. They are out of Fort Collins, Co. https://www.abcsignproducts.com/extrusion/retro-frames
  28. 1 point
    I looks like It is ABC. Looks like their keeper and tensioner.
  29. 1 point
    Dave, how bout you drive it another 4k miles for me. At 22k less per thousand miles, you could pay me to drive it away? Can't believe you still have it.
  30. 1 point
    Side jobs have always been a fact of life in the sign game (not saying I approve) and it was a big issue back when my father was around and in charge. I don't allow any for profit side jobs since I "took over the payments". If they need a banner for the local cub pack, etc. I'll probably even do the layout. However, if it's a paying sign job, it goes to the company. If the company doesn't make money, they will be out of a job.
  31. 1 point
    We stopped doing this years ago on the recommendation of our insurance carrier. We were advised if the employee is injured when in our shop we would be subject to workmen's compensation. It did not matter if they were on the clock or not.
  32. 1 point
    I agree with the other guys. I allow my folks to use my place for their own stuff. Never for profit. I think it sends the message to the customer that it was so small you didn't want to mess with it. I don't ever want one of my customers to feel that way. Like with anything else, there is always going to be that one that you give an inch and they take 10 miles and abuse it. If ever one of mine abused it, it would stop for all. I am kind to a point, but don't take advantage of my kindness. Sounds like you already know what you need to do. Probably going to be hard to do it, but you can't let employees, no matter how great, to take advantage of you. Especially while using your place, your equipment and your materials! Not cool.
  33. 1 point
    I would have no problem with personal projects, but I wouldn't allow projects for profit, you're fitting all the overhead and more.
  34. 1 point
    Spray glue your patterns onto Coroplast and drill tap cons right thru it where the letters are. Make sure sure that your letters will cover your drilled out holes No tape or worries about the pattern moving or ripping. Coroplast is waterproof and a solid light weight material. Use it over and over until you can use it anymore
  35. 1 point
    Thanks Rocco! I like the idea of the tape to make a hem and then staples. We have done the cardboard trick with tapcons as well.
  36. 1 point
    Keith, Make them pay upfront. Then there are no problems and they are a great customer
  37. 1 point
    Rocco (and others encountering 2014 NEC issues), There is a commonly-encountered problem in how the provisions of 600.6 are interpreted by the AHJs. Much of that has occurred because of the specific language that appeared in the 2014 NEC. The 2014 code language isn't wrong, it just was written in a way that allows some inspectors to draw conclusions with which we strongly object. (BTW, I should note that most of the 2014 problems were addressed in the 2017 code language. But state adoption of the NEC varies, some states only update every other cycle, and so some communities will be stuck with the 2014 code for several years.) Basically, you should take a look at 600.6 as it appears in several editions of the NEC. (BTW, disconnect language was the featured subject for ISA/IAEI/UL at the ISA Expo Electrical Codes Forum this past March.) 2011 version: 600.6 Disconnects has an introductory paragraph, followed by two exceptions. Then comes (A) Location (1) Within Sight of the Sign; and (2) Within Sight of the Controller 2014 version: 600.6 Disconnects has an identical introductory paragraph, followed by two exceptions and (A) Location. But new (1) At Point of Entry to a Sign Enclosure, followed by renumbered (2) Within Sight of the Sign; and (3) Within Sight of the Controller. 2017 version: 600.6 Disconnects has an (almost) identical introductory paragraph, followed by two exceptions and a new informational note. Then (A) Location with an added sentence "The disconnecting means shall be permitted to be located in accordance with 600.6(A)(1), (A)(2), and (A)(3)". Followed by (1) At Point of Entry to a Sign Enclosure, (2) Within Sight of the Sign; and (3) Within Sight of the Controller--all of which have some added or modified language. That new sentence (before discussing the three locations) steers AHJs away from concluding that "At Point of Entry to a Sign Enclosure" is the mandatory design. It certainly appears that some AHJs didn't recognize in the 2014 NEC that (1), (2), & (3) were equally acceptable options. The first response to that problem is to correct or improve the code language, (which occurred in the 2017 code cycle. The second response is to educate AHJs as best we can. We have created handouts and other materials that ISA has used when we exhibit at IAEI section meetings. (I just attended the IAEI Southern Section meting 2-3 weeks ago.) The third response is to try to assist sign companies when they encounter challenges from the local inspector. That can be difficult due to the wide latitude given to the AHJs interpretation. We have seen some success in convincing inspectors to look to the 2017 code for greater clarity. Or at the rationale statements submitted along with public input proposals during the 2017 NEC cycle. But it is a struggle. And probably will be for awhile.
  38. 1 point
    Your last photo shows galvanized letter backs!!!! I haven't seen that around here is a lot more than 20 years. What were they thinking with that mixed bag of crap LEDs in the other one.
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  40. 1 point
    With the Economic War between the US and China rages on, we're starting to hear about manufacturers in China already sending out notices to American Sign Suppliers/MFGs that rises in product costs are here....and coming. For the longest time China has had the Monopoly in manufacturing because of unfair trade practices, currency manipulation, very low almost slave-like wages for their people where a lot of employee safety at times is called into question. There isn't exactly a OSHA or Labor Board in China, nor do their factories abide by the same the same environmental regulation & safety standards that American companies have had to abide, pay, and follow by on the world stage, China was always given a free pass and has always been viewed as a under developed country that should receive a handicap.....and we have to ask why? Yes Erik we know this......So what does this have to do with LEDs? If Chinese components weren't already unreliable, and low quality as it is, just think of how their going to be now as this trade war rages on. If China is already having to raise their prices, what do you think will happen to the quality compared to now if their going to have to cut cost just to keep up in sales? Most American sign component manufacturers who have exported their jobs to China have always had nightmare issues with these plants doing almost anything to save a penny. Remember all those failure batch issues in the past???? Now it will get even worse. China is losing the trade war. It's been entertaining to see all these US Sign LED manufacturers who's products are being produced in China, and some who buy just components and then claim the.... "Assembled in America" to offer 7....8..... and now 10 year warranties for their products. Forget what's to come tomorrow with costs that will be driving quality downward, could those warranties even be trusted from products being sold today? Seriously, we're no dummies, and neither are the consumers. If Nearly 85% of the companies who's products were in our Sign Syndicate Light Test Comparisons could barely make 15,000 hours of operation without a large portion degrading in light output, how can they make 7 years, or even 10? Any logical person knows it's always just been a marketing PR stunt.......and I suppose maybe some .33 watt constant current LEDs could make that, but who uses low wattage LEDs for electric advertising? You can use those but you'll need a crap load just to get near equal light of the high powered stuff but that's VERY un-cost effective. Some shops won't care, they'll just throw their arms in the air and say "that's the sign industry...the consumer will eat it". That's fine if you want to live for today, and die tomorrow with a list of angry customers and Yelp reviews. But....if you sell quality and stake your reputation on what you produce and put put, you should care, and you should be worried. It won't get any better anytime soon with Chinese products. The more the playing field gets leveled between the our Grand Country and China, Chinese products will not be able to stay as low as they have been, or.....at least not the types of products you would want them to be at or expect them to be at. Chinese manufacturers will shave what they can, when they can, and cut the quality at will just to make that extra penny, their known for that! You can be sure of something that won't change when it comes to LED components for the American Sign Industry, and that is when it comes to any components NOT made in China. The world still spins on that access and it's been unaffected on that front Why buy/support products from a Dictatorship that suppresses it's people, manipulates free trade, and interferes/obstructs with the US, in government affairs or by hacking? China is NOT our friend, and their not exactly our enemy. I know sometimes we have no choice, but when you don't have to...don't! That is why if you're going to buy overseas components, buy from our friends and allies first. Countries who have our backs, and we have theirs, and who's people we have fought side by side, and scarified with. Especially from countries who have the highest in quality control standards. This is just one of the reasons why we have been proud, and excited to work with, partner with NC LED from Korea. The quality has not changed, the products are getting better, they have high work ethic standards as well as high product standards and their quality control is equal to that of Japan. They are the complete opposite in every facet of CHINA. Our NC LED products do NOT change year after year like just about every LED manufacturer, going from version 2 to version 10. When something works we stick with it and we're BIG on that! With uncertainty from China in the air when it comes to LED Lighting products and Power Supplies Our prices for high quality products have always been VERY competitive, and lower compared to most lower quality products in a lot of cases. The goal post will not change, the high standards bar will never be lowered. Give us a try on your next job, you'll have consistency, dependability and you'll be much happier that you did!
  41. 1 point
    We have difficulties with Communist China that are outside of the sign industry world. ON a basic level, their form of government is rife with corruption that is endemic to their entire economy.
  42. 1 point
    Disconnecting change in section 600.6 of the NEC 2017 Biggest change is labeling. Also if you service a sign, you must verify and label for compliance (A) Location The disconnect shall open all ungrounded conductors where it enters the enclosure of the sign or pole. Exception No. 1: A disconnect shall not be required for branch circuit(s) or feeder conductor(s) passing through the sign where enclosed in a Chapter 3 listed raceway or metal-jacketed cable identified for the location. Exception No. 2: A disconnect shall not be required at the point of entry to a sign enclosure or sign body for branch circuit(s) or feeder conductor( s) that supply an internal panelboard(s) in a sign enclosure or sign body. The conductors shall be enclosed in a Chapter 3 listed raceway or metal-jacketed cable identified for the location. The warning label shall comply with 110.21(B) and state the following: “Danger. This raceway contains energized conductors.” The marking shall include the location of the disconnecting means for the energized conductor(s). The disconnecting means shall be capable of being locked in the open position in accordance with 110.25. (2) Within Sight of the Sign A permanent field-applied marking identifying the location of the disconnecting means shall be applied to the sign in a location visible during servicing. The warning label shall comply with 110.21(B) (B) Control Switch Rating They added: electronic power supplies to be rated at 200% of load .
  43. 1 point
    Does anyone talk anymore ? Every day I constantly get Emails about jobs. Please send me an estimate for ........1 4 x 8 white sign with 27 black letters on it. Or similar Crap. Even the Nationals send the same nothing info and want pricing. Whats your best price ? No one wants to give a phone number, talk about anything. Just send a price on the unknown. We are all becoming push button morons
  44. 1 point
    Appreciate it Dave but I'm in the market for a truck in the 85' range. I have a 65' & 42' we use already sir but thanks for the Pic and Offer sir..
  45. 1 point
    Electronic would be great IF there are no issues that affect electronics. Personally I'd stay with a core and coil, France. Look up sign suppliers in your area, they usually sell to anyone. Be sure and unplug before changing, don't break the neon, and consider changing the electrode boots, if using, to new ones while doing the work. If you break the neon, you are SOL.
  46. 1 point
    Very sorry that happened to you. Wonder what in the world he did to have the IRS seize everything he owned?? That's crazy! Hopefully he didn't own the properties where the stores are so you can file a lien on the property so the actual owner of the property will have to pay you. Not really fair to make them pay, but better than you losing all of that money!! Best of luck getting paid.
  47. 1 point
    OK...technically you can not reprocess the sign once its installed on the property or building. You can get into more trouble than the whole thing is worth. Here's my late dads solution....indicate that there is defective material on the sign and it may fail...Need to take back to the shop to work on it....Say you will have it back up asap....and when they call..say sorry its taking so long..we are working on it...and oh by the way...it must of slipped by...but did you know you have an overdue balance. We have done it a few times over the years and my dad did it to an attorneys wifes store...and he got paid!
  48. 1 point
    I am on the other side of the fence on this. I lost my hearing about 8 years ago, so as an owner I would be up S*** creek without the ability to "talk" digitally. I also get annoyed with the plain jane emails that have no info but want price, but I will most generally ask them once for details and if no good response I just delete the chain and move on. One other thing I like about email is that it can cover your AZZ in stead of "that is not what I said on the phone". Just my perspective Richard
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