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  1. I always love to share some of the projects that I get the opportunity to do once in a while when I do get one. I think these days I take on certain jobs just so I can share here on the Sign Syndicate the applicable use of some of the components that we stock and sell here through this site. Chances are sometimes someone may see something for the first time and that can be helpful. When I do these various jobs once in a great moon I like to show different vendors that I believe in. This time it's all Voltarc mixed in with Masters Technologies wet location sleeving and two piece electrode caps powered by Trasnco's military grade all 100% copper balanced Neon Transformers. So let's start from the beginning. The old building that's getting renovated. This landmark Tennis Store has been around the neighborhood since the 60's and it's a very known location if you play tennis in San Diego. There are no more Electrobit grounding rings available so now I have to turn to Masters Technologies Grounding Plates to bond conduit to conduit and conduit that is attached to the polycarbonate rears and in turn bonding the letter pan Here's what I'm working with behind the wall where the sign is located, a block wall with18" of height/clearance from stud floor to roof of wall for electrical access behind the letters Ever go to the sign shows years ago and see a lighted neon lamp sitting at the bottom of a fish tank filled with water? Well, this is the stuff...Enter Master Technologies wet location two piece caps and sleeving. This is a little further after drilling all the holes and placing all the polycarbonate rears. Here we're using Transco's Silicone Easy Caps and their 14 AWG Silicone GTO. The Neon Lamps are Voltarcs 12mm Green, their sickly bright at night you just wait! The small overhang room did make this installation VERY easy! The round logo box we used Voltarc's 15mm (Tri-Lite Triphosphor) One of the cool added parts of this jobs is the Stainless Steel overhang face they added for the renovation. Love the look, and we had a part to play to make sure it would make the single stroke of Voltarc's NeoBlue (Purple) pumped red would be applicable for installation. Doing a single stroke Neon border in this case Purple can sometimes be a challenge when it comes to installation but I made sure that the 56 liner feet would not be an issue. I wanted everything balanced and what better choice than the use of Transco's balanced UNT Tank to be a part of this project. Transco's Tank is a TRUE balanced Neon Transformer when you Mid-Point Return this unit, most other Neon Transformers you would have to perform a Virtual Ground Installation, and that "Balance" was my plan from the beginning. By doing a Mid-Point Return I turned this 15kv tranny into two separate 7,500kv's. Most importantly, I didn't run 20' of GTO from Transformer Terminal to the outer most electrodes like you see in so many cases (Conventional Series Wiring) which result in numerous maintenance calls down the road. Doing a Mid-Point ground I started at the center of my Neon Load making my runs only 18" from the Transformer secondary Terminals to the first set of electrodes that will work their way out bringing the outermost lamps or connection back to the transformer. If you were to take a High Voltage Probe and measure at the Mid-Point ground terminal you would have about 0 volts. Doing the installation this way assures VERY long life with the secondary conductors as short as possible. VIRTUAL RETURN WIRING CONVENTIONAL WIRING & MID-POINT RETURN WIRING Here in the Transco Transformer Box I have the two short secondary home runs splitting the 56' linear lamp foot load in half, with the return path coming from the outer most lamp connectors of the load. The Transco disconnect switch and double nutted ground with the panel ground at the bottom (structural) with the service ground which is the Transformer ground at the top. Before anyone asks, YES this is a shot before the Transformer box is sitting on top of treated studs! The Voltarc NeoBlue lamps which are pumped with Neon gas for the purple look with the two piece Masters Technologies wet location caps and sleeving which jackets over the Transco Silicone GTO. Finishing up and closing out this deal Finally, the night shots of this finished project All in all a fun job as usual and like any job with a few headaches along the way, if you have an upgraded membership as a member of "The Order" you can read about that. But nothing that didn't get remedied and most importantly the customer is VERY happy in the end. Total package 784 watts, 8 hours per day @ 365 days a year roughly $.12kwh = $274.71 as an annual cost of operation for wall sign mixed in with some linear border tube lighting, NOT BAD!! Special thanks to Joe Walsh of Voltarc for getting me what I needed to get this job completed!! THE PROJECT RECIPE Voltarc 12mm Green Voltarc 15mm Tri-Lite Voltarc 15mm NeoBlue (Pumped Red) Transco UNT Tanks Trasnco 14 AWG Silicone GTO Trasnco Silicone Easy Caps & Boots Transco Transformer Boxes Trasnco Disconnect Switches FMS Neon Tube Supports Masters Technologies Wet Location Sleeving Masters Technologies Wet Location Two Piece Caps Masters Technologies Grounding Plates Sheffield Polycarbonate
  2. May 2014 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. You can download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Please remember....we have now made these light testing results available to you for free. If you feel like you have learned/gained something from these results or found that these results have saved you money by choosing one product over another please help support us in upgrading your free membership, or by purchasing various sign supplies we have available for you & your company. Many of our sign supply products are usually well below what you might pay for at one of the mainstream sign suppliers and some are bundles with free shipping. We've attached many various banners to the results in hope something may grab your eye. The Sign Syndicate does not engage in light source lamp sales such as LED's or Lamps so that we do not become a biased source for news & information and maintain that high standard of only dealing with the facts. For individual test result updates & information visit the Project Tutorials located here LINK As always, enjoy the results and hope you learn as we do going down this adventurous path! The Great White Hope II (Year 1) - The high powered white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets, comprised of high powered LED modules 1watt+ and above with Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. (1,600+ hrs) Later this month we will add International Lights New high powered module as well as two of Axiom LED's products GreatWhiteHopeII 051514.pdf Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid (.85 watt modules and below) to mini sized LED modules. (33,000+ hrs) This month we introduce Axiom's AXLE9, it's been a while since we've had an Axiom product but here it is! Later this month we will add International Lights New module as well as NC LED, ProJectTight 051514.pdf The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison. (27,000+ hrs) Later this month we will add International Lights New module RedL051514.pdf Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison. (17,000+ hrs) BorderSec 051514.pdf Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter. (6,000+ hrs) Later this month we will be adding NC LED's new Blue as well as International Lights BlueLight051514.pdf The Great White Hope - Discontinued (Year 5) - The high powered white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets, comprised of high powered LED modules 1watt+ and above with Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. (33,000+ hrs) Though discontinued, we'll still go ahead and make this available for reference GreatWhite 060713.pdf
  3. Warning, common sense ahead.... http://theworldlink.com/news/local/n-or-th-bend-welcomes-overhaul-of-neon-sign/article_7d6774da-a3fa-5c80-90c7-1587a31c53de.html
  4. I tell you guys something the Electra induction heater that I bought is wonderful! It is so nice seeing perfectly processed electrodes even on tiny tubes. I can put 12mm trodes on a 9mm tube that is very short and still processes them perfectly! If you guys making neon haven't taken a serious look at the Electra you should. There is a video of it being used and maybe Erik can post it on this thread for me.
  5. Pillsbury Dough Boy Done Down & Dirty Article http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/252366791.html And we have another! Leak gas??? They make it sounds like a health hazard. This time right now it's in the hands of the city's heritage preservation commission. I wonder if the Heritage Commission has all the facts in front of them presented by Lawrence sign before they're about to make a grave, costly mistake. Once again we have a marker, a pinpoint for the future that we can look back on and there is no need to predict, it will happen, because they're choosing to change a light source to this classic retro sign which are lamps pumped with neon gas, in turn they are nothing more than glass and gas a light source that does NOT degrade in light overtime, who's light output is NOT affected by outside temperatures, and to be retrofitted to one that is. We've seen it a couple years back Genesee Beer http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5364-signs-of-the-times-february-2012-issue/ Just recently in Chicago http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/topic/6406-the-drake-hotel-sign/ If we were all to be a fly on that wall at the time of the sales pitch, I'm sure they heard fictitious and misleading facts like "Energy Efficient".."Green"...."it's GOOD for the environment"...."Return on Investment in just s a few years!"....and according to the article cost of operation will go from $15,000.00 to $1,000.00. Someone may even have pulled out a pamphlet from the Ventex marketing playbook which exaggerates a 15kv neon transformers as having 500+ watts and costs to be doubled. Someone could have even pulled out a Sign Builder Illustrator and pulled out the article where Magic Mouth says LEDs he can save everyone 80% in cost of operation because his magic way is more "Efficient". I'm just very sure that whatever sales pitch was pulled it was unbelievable, somehow the Genesee Beers that were served were labeled as a IPA Craft beer. But for whatever reason maybe it was the overwhelming marketing moment, the show pony walking on it's hind legs, the salesmen juggling fireballs and no one bothered to take a sip of the beer to notice it tasted like tap water....maybe that was the idea, conjure a distraction. Should we so much as dare to take a thought at the idea that it was NEVER even brought up that maybe a money saving way to all this could be to keep things in heritable preservation, keep the historic value, is maybe just cut the ends off all the red neon pumped glass and re-pump the lamps? Wow, 60+ more years of life!! What else can we do? Hmmmmm, let's think about re-engineering the Transformer placement. Make some shorter runs maybe? Replace all the wiring? Hmmmm, do all that and we can add maybe another 20 years until a neon transformer replacement somewhere in the sign MAY be needed. Oh look, Red Neon Lamps do NOT degrade in light over time but LEDs do. How long before another retrofit should we predict? Or the replacement of a Electronic LED Driver? Couple years, less than a year? If this sign has been around since the 40's, the LED light alone won't even last a fraction of that. Should we even think that someone ever mentioned that the Neon cost of operation is only 3.6 watts per foot to the average 1.25 watts per foot to that of a Flex LED strip when it comes to red? If so, how did they get the $15k to $1k a year in annual operation??? What were these magic numbers that's saving in over 93%??? These numbers even top that of Magic Mouth himself and The New England Sign Spinner. We have a new player in town obviously. Of course it's been in "disrepair", I'm sure it's been nothing but talentless sign and lighting companies who have just over the years been replacing lamps and components and never actually fixing the issue that started it all in the first place. When said and done, and after the dog and pony act is finally gone long gone from the conference room, the excitement of of something "new" is diminished in the minds of the project managers and architects and the once classic sign, morphed into political correctness will soon turn into maintenance calls. The one year warranty by the sign contractor will expire, the 3 to 5 year warranty of LED lamps manufacturer will maintain for a short time but the labor costs in that period to change out those components will be absorbent. Shoulders will shrug, the look for answers will just turn into excuses and "...well...". That sexy attraction of this project will loose it's luster and maybe if the same people within the city are still employed in the same positions maybe, just maybe someone will take an actual sip of that ol stale beer to see what it tasted like and discover what it was that they actually got served that day. Then just like the Citgo Ballpark sign, they will have bought their own little Citgo project that went from Neon to LED Retrofit, to LED to LED Retrofit. Just like the other previous projects. I hope Lawrence sign doesn't remove all of the Neon Housing holes, they WILL need those down the road a lot sooner than they think. Somethings definitely getting/coming out of this oven for those 93% in saving that we saw on the baking product box, but it won't be a batch of cookies that mama used to make, something coming...it's just going to be a little flat in appearance and tasteless after the first bite and so on after that. With the cookie tray out and ready to eat and for a most likely 48 year Return on Investment. Retrofitting this project from Neon to Neon could have been in the thousands ($) range in materials alone, instead it will be in the tens of thousands range + the labor........well...that's what you get!! Bon Appetit Minneapolis!!!
  6. Here's some pics of a Transco custom neon manifold system that are available. For questions or inquiries please email us at orders@thesignsyndicate.com
  7. Erik Sine

    Manifold 006SM

    From the album: Sign Syndicate Products

    Transco Manifold available through The Sign Syndicate.com
  8. From the album: Sign Syndicate Products

    Transco Manifold available through The Sign Syndicate.com
  9. Erik Sine

    New Bonding

    From the album: Portfolio Stuff

    This is what it's come down to with diminishing neon supplies available
  10. March 2014 Results click LINK February 2014 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. You can download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Please remember....we have now made these light testing results available to you for free. If you feel like you have learned/gained something from these results or found that these results have saved you money by choosing one product over another please help support us in upgrading your free membership, or by purchasing various sign supplies we have available for you & your company. Many of our sign supply products are usually well below what you might pay for at one of the mainstream sign suppliers and some are bundles with free shipping. We've attached many various banners to the results in hope something may grab your eye. The Sign Syndicate does not engage in light source lamp sales such as LED's or Lamps so that we do not become a biased source for news & information and maintain that high standard of only dealing with the facts. For individual test result updates & information visit the Project Tutorials located here LINK As always, enjoy the results and hope you learn as we do going down this adventurous path! The Great White Hope II (Year 1) - The white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets Our opening lineup includes Neon lamps from FMS Neon, Glostertube, EGL & Voltarc. LEDs from GE, Sloan, Permlight, EGL Veritas, Hyrite, & International Light Technologies, GOQ LED GreatWhiteHope 020214.pdf - UPDATED 2/17/14 10:45am pst Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid to mini sized LED modules New this month is JS LED Updated - AA LED Eco (Next month), GOQ LED & Osram BackLED M Plus ProJectTight 020214B.pdf -UPDATED 2/11/14 The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison Updated soon with JS LED & JT LED RedL020214.pdf Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison Updated soon with Glostertube BorderSec 020214.pdf Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter Updated Soon with FMS Neon & Glostertube BlueLight020214.pdf
  11. Anyone know who stocks these or where to get?
  12. Here's a sign we I did for an old longtime client who asked me to remove one of my favorite little signs that I did for him a couple of years ago and replace it with a much larger wall sign. This time around I got the opportunity to get some very good advice from Sean (Fishing Nut) and Gary Nutting from this board in the early on stages of the project. In the end it swung another direction with color and the project got finalized with Tecnolux's Ruby Red pumped argon in 12mm for the lettering and their 4500 Tri-phosphor white in a fat 18mm for the outer border for that subtle accent look on the border. Ruby Red does NOT appear to be an easy product to order right now. From what I was told this factory direct order was the last for a while, how long can be anyone's guess. The Tecnolux Tri-4500 was a factory mfg direct order as well. Just like anything, if you work with neon plan on ALL your orders to be mfg direct be it FMS, EGL, or Tecnolux because not many sign suppliers stock neon anymore. In order. The removal of my favorite little neon sign. While we were on site for the sign removal we just went ahead and drilled the new signs mounting holes with a roll of my favorite Westrim gridded pattern paper. Some fresh from fab pics. My fab guy wasn't happy with me This raceway/cabinet we divided into three parts, the top two and bottom smaller cab. It just made it easier for me to move around, paint, and install since sign fabrication and installation is not my full time gig anymore. The universal access doors complete with clips The railing system for the easy transformer mounting and any future servicing
  13. Pair sheds new light on L.A.’s claim to neon fame For years, Earle C. Anthony's 'Packard' was said to be the first neon sign in America. But new research and an old photo suggests otherwise. By Catherine Saillant Dec. 3, 2013 http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-c1-los-angeles-neon-20131203-dto,0,367955.htmlstory The brightly illuminated billboard was a traffic-stopping sensation in 1923 Los Angeles, a city just starting its love affair with automobiles. Sitting atop a downtown hotel, the sign was rimmed in glowing blue and spelled out "Packard" in radiant red letters at least 4 feet high. People drove long distances to view this newfangled technology called neon at the corner of 7th and Flower streets. They called it "liquid fire." Congestion got so bad that the police were called in. That's the popular recounting of how neon made its debut in America: With his Packard sign, Los Angeles businessman Earle C. Anthony was the first to use those candy-colored glass tubes, beating out everyone else in the country — including New York. For decades, the story has been widely accepted in neon circles as fact. But is it true? Academic Dydia DeLyser didn't set out to debunk anything when she decided to research the history of neon. But that simple scholastic decision ended up launching a yearlong search that took DeLyser and her research and life partner, Paul Greenstein, into the bowels of Los Angeles institutions to track down newspaper articles, permits and building records. It ended in a windowless room at UCLA where file cabinets held thousands of 8-by-10 glossies showing Los Angeles from the sky — and one "aha!" photograph. On a recent day, DeLyser spread out a foot-thick stack of files on an antique rug in the rambling Lincoln Heights Victorian she shares with Greenstein. She flipped open a MacBook and launched a slide show that carefully recounted their months of painstaking research. DeLyser had already written histories of Bodie, the Gold Rush ghost town in the Sierra, and contributed to a book on early California tourism. In 2011, she helped put together an Emmy-winning documentary on pioneering stunt pilot Florence "Pancho" Barnes. Neon's history in this country would be her next topic, she decided. Greenstein, a restorer of vintage neon signs, would help her with technical questions. But right away, they ran into a problem. DeLyser couldn't find any original source materials to back up the Los Angeles-was-first claim. Stories of Anthony erecting the first neon sign kept popping up in newspapers and neon-industry publications, but there was no original-source attribution. They kept digging. The growing city was a frontier in many ways for both neon signs and outdoor advertising in general. Every businessman in the period who wanted to promote himself as modern got a neon sign, neon historian Tom Rinaldi said. Anthony, the Packard dealer, recognized neon's potential early on. During a 1922 trip to Paris, he saw commercial signs illuminated by neon and mercury gases and was captivated. He ordered two or three "Packard" signs (the precise number is unsettled, as is the price) to be shipped to his dealership. DeLyser was able to track that part of the story. But as she combed through city records, a different timeline emerged for when the Los Angeles sign went up. She found a Los Angeles Building Department billboard permit application submitted by billboard company Foster & Kleiser seeking to enlarge a sign at the northwest corner of 7th and Flower streets. It would be electrified, the application specified. The permit was signed in December 1924. She also scoured newspaper archives, looking for a story on the traffic jams around the magical new sign. She went through pages of news clippings carefully preserved in albums by the Earle C. Anthony company, now in the possession of a Santa Ana Packard club. Nothing. "Huh, that's funny," DeLyser said. "When I didn't find it, I thought, 'I'll have to dig harder.'" She and Greenstein pored through the archives of two photography companies that took aerial shots of the evolving Los Angeles landscape from 1918 to 1971. The photos now reside in the Benjamin and Gladys Thomas Air Photo archive in the geography department at UCLA. For days, DeLyser sat with a magnifying glass, going through photo after photo, zeroing in on buildings and streets, looking for evidence of the Packard billboard. It wasn't there in 1922, or 1923 or 1924. Then, in a photo dated Feb. 10, 1925, an electrified billboard appears on the hotel building's roof. It shows up two months after the permit was taken out, DeLyser notes. And, in a photograph taken from another angle, an illuminated "Packard" logo is just visible on the front of the sign. DeLyser and Greenstein were elated. "It pretty much proves that the supposed Earle C. Anthony sign at 7th and Flower could not have been the first neon sign," she said. "By 1925, there were neon signs in New York, for sure. It has to be that the whole story was wrong." The discovery has ignited spirited debate among the legions of fans of the glowing signs and their backdrop to Los Angeles' noir period of the 1930s and '40s. Eric Lynxwiler, who operates a popular neon "cruise" across Los Angeles, says he always ended the tour with a stop at the Packard Lofts in downtown, where a reproduction of Anthony's long-ago sign hangs over an entryway. He's had to change his tour as a result of DeLyser's findings. "My spiel in the past couple of months is to tell the original story and then say that the story is changing, Lynxwiler said. "We've lost our bragging rights. But we've also lost a really good tale." Rinaldi said the research, while compelling, poses more questions than it answers. If the first sign wasn't in Los Angeles, where was it? he asks. And who put it up? "It's so frustrating that something like neon that had such a prominence in the landscape of this country has such murky origins," Rinaldi said. "It's not like with incandescent lights, where everyone knows who Thomas Edison is and it's all documented." It's likely the story came from Anthony's press operation and was promoted by the auto baron himself, DeLyser said. It was first mentioned in a 1939 interview of Anthony in the Los Angeles Times and is repeated in subsequent press clippings and industry publications. The origins of neon weren't really written about until the 1970s, and by then the Packard sign story was already ingrained in neon's historical narrative, Greenstein said. "It seems the basis of the story was people's memories," he said. "And memory is not always precise." DeLyser, a native Angeleno who lives part time in Baton Rouge for her job as a geography professor at Louisiana State University, is diplomatic. "If we continue researching subjects, sometimes the story changes," she said. "That's what happened here." So where did the first sign go up? Absent documentation, that historical nugget remains a mystery. But the researchers say neon was being used commercially in New York City by early 1924, a full year before the Los Angeles Packard sign went up. Los Angeles neon enthusiasts aren't ready to cede their friendly rivalry to New York. They say a photo could still emerge showing that Anthony erected his Packard sign somewhere else in Los Angeles. "I refuse to give it to New York. New York has enough," said Catherine Gudis, a UC Riverside history professor and expert on Los Angeles signage. "They don't need our California first." DeLyser and Greenstein have a theory — one they can't yet prove. Another photograph they unearthed shows a "Packard" sign on an Anthony dealership. They dated the photograph to 1923, and the sign appears to be neon, they said. But it wasn't located in Los Angeles. It was on Anthony's showroom on Van Ness Boulevard in San Francisco. "I would love for Los Angeles to win," DeLyser said. "But I'd still rather have San Francisco win than New York."
  14. Now that the results from our testing are public and made available to anyone in the electric sign industry, what is your favorite light source and which do you stick to in the following categories? 1. High Powered White, Neon or LED. Modules that are .85 watts and higher. 2. Mini to mid sized LED''s, .85watts an below? 3. What is your favorite RED LED? 4. What Mfg do you use for outline, exposed, or border tubing Neon or LED? Think blue, red and green 5. What Neon or LED's do you use for blue? 6. What Neon or LED's do you use for blue? 7. When it comes to standard sized sign cabinet, double sided, single sided or monument signs. What lamps do you use? Which HID, LED, or HO Fluorescent lamps do you use and mfg? 8. Which mfg and brands did you use before that you may have dropped using, what were the reasons?
  15. LIGHTNING DEAL - 100 NOVAGLO ELECTRODES $44.25 Right now for a limited time and with limited quantity we're having a Lightning Deal on high quality iron shell, pure ceramic collar 15mm, 13mm, and 12mm Lead Free Novaglo Electrodes. 100 Tubulated, or non-tubulated boxes only $44.25 each + shipping Novaglo Brochure.pdf To place an order you can buy direct from our cart LINK For inquires or orders you can call us at (858) 880-1400 or email us at orders@thesignsyndicate.com
  16. When's the last time you've seen someone have so much stock of Neon Components of porcelain & glass housings/receptacles, CPA's, GTO, and much more? I think it's official, we're the largest supplier on the west coast, I can't think of anyone else. Kgirl working hard on this hot humid day, I'm sweat'in just looking at her! She's showing me how much sweat she has produced Lot's of hard to find porcelain / glass housings. These can go pretty quick, and it's all limited supply, once it's gone.....it's gone! Need to order some? These hard to find components aren't exactly collecting dust, especially with the recent surge in Neon production. Call to order (858) 880-1400, by email orders@thesignsyndicate.com, or visit our online shopping cart which some limited items
  17. We just had a recent thread about Neon Transformers and a discussion for midpoint and virtual returns and it was never really explained into detail of why this wiring method is best for some applications where it's possible. So I thought I would post a video we did back in 2009 where I spent a few hours with Telford Dorr where he explains detail "capacitance" in neon signs, why we get it, and what it does in a sign. It's one thing to read about capacitance, it's another to hear it and see it in an electric sign. This was originally done in our tutorial section and was a quicktime video, but I spent some time last night converting it over to our youtube.com channel Click on the YouTube symbol in the video frame to enlarge it
  18. July 2013 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Login or join (free) to download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid to mini sized LED modules The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter The Great White Hope (Year 5 & 6) - The white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets (Discontinued until August 2013)
  19. From the album: TDH custom signage

    Custom NEON display mounted over c-channel installed banner. Website illuminated with LED's in custom box behind banner.

    © TDH

  20. The history of the neon sign industry in the US has not yet been written. What has been written is brief, and mostly focuses on Times Square and Las Vegas, overlooking the realities of the neon industry in other places. Because neon only began in the US in the 1920s, it's still possible to collect the stories of people whose families have been involved in the industry from the beginning, or near the beginning. Would you like to contribute your stories, your family's stories, and your business' stories to this history of the neon industry? How long has your sign shop been in the neon business? How long have there been tube benders in your family? How has your shop managed through the changes the industry has faced? I'm a historical geographer, working with the support of the American Sign Museum on a book that will detail the rich history of this industry in cities and towns all over the country. The book will trace the spread of neon across the US, along with tourism, automobile travel, and highways, to show how neon transformed the American landscape. It will follow the industry from its first bloom in the 1920s and the end of Prohibition, through the Great Depression and the WPA Storefront Modernization program. From the blackouts of WWII to the boom in consumer culture of the prosperous 1950s. From the urban renewal and "Scrap Old Signs" programs of the 1960s-'80s, to the rise of neon art and "retro" neon in the 1980s and '90s. The book will reveal the challenges and synergies the industry has faced with competing technologies -- fluorescents and LEDs, plastic signs and digital message centers -- all have been seen as threats to neon's success and survival, but have also worked together with neon. Neon in the US is nearing its 100th birthday. Will it survive to see that day? Let your voice be heard. If you or someone you know has a long tradition in the neon industry, I'm interested in interviewing you. Please contact me by email (preferred) at dydia@lsu.edu, or by phone at 225-937-9371. Dr. Dydia DeLyser Associate Professor of Geography Department of Geography and Anthropology Louisiana State University
  21. Here's a small job I just recently finished. Small potatoes in size for sure, but what's more important are the components used, the pride taken even in the smallest of jobs AND the soon to be end result. Small sure, but large/bright light output when we talk "Green". IF there is anything about our electric sign industry when and where someone can coin a phrase "Going Green" AND mean it, AND back it up this is one of those instances. No blanket marketing claim talk here, and I wont try to convince you that what I can do will save the planet....truth is.....no one can, and she doesn't want/need our help. I'm not selling guilt to get you to buy something!!! The Mayan calendar expired and we're all still here, reality is here...and HERE is my "Green" project. Yes the sign is simple and average and during the day you would probably miss it. But once night sets in this average signs will transform into the Incredible HULK!! Years back I posted the "Green Machine" in the Portfolio Board of this forum, the process I took to get a bright green sign and all the samples I did. That job is located here http://www.thesignsy...e-green-machine This project is just another spawn of that, a "redux" !! Green light source behind a green face, and the overwhelming power of rare-earth phosphors coupled with using 13 or 12mm glass....... I LOVE using small diameter glass!!! Yes, slightly more of a load, and more transformer is needed but, this is all about taking pride!! What's a little unique about this job compared to the latter ("Green Machine") is the neon processing of this one will for the most part be flawless especially when it comes to the electrodes using Fluxeon's "Electra" (Which we now sell here on the Sign Syndicate) Let's start from the beginning. In the Beginning there was Fluxeon's "Electra" processing this jobs electrodes each in a matter of seconds under a vacuum (Wham BAM, you're done). The neon is Elite Lamp Technologies Custom Coated Rare Earth phosphor "Kawasaki Green" or as I like to call it "Hulk Green", The Electrodes are Transco To Go's lead free "Novaglo Electrodes" Transco's Lead Free Novaglo Electrodes Here is the wall and structure I have to work with for this wall sign. Pretty easy when you do all the planning in the shop. No drilling holes to install this job in the field, NONE! Rare...no?!?!? The Rear open ceiling The installation components. Silicone GTO and Electrode Caps. This sign will be powered by a self adjusting magnetic transformer 10,500kv to 15,000kv. There is a five and a half inch space between the rear of the channel letters and the wet location raceway so on my pattern I placed all service holes dead center and used my pattern to make all raceway penetrations ahead of the installation day. I used 1/2" EMT with compression connectors for this. Disconnect with rubber boot. Don't forget to loose the "On/Off" plate to make the exterior seal water proof!!! Instead take a Sharpie and mark "On/Off", or just "Off". Porcelain bushings for all those high voltage pass thru's you need to make using GTO, I like the porcelains over the plastic bushings for HV. Again, PRIDE!!! Big beefy magnetic Transformer The shortest connection possible to your first neon lamps is ALWAYS best!!! To the right of the TANK you'll my double nutted structure ground, bottom for the feed and top for the tranny service ground.
  22. Box of 100 Quality Electrodes just $44.25!! You can visit The Sign Syndicate Store to see most of what we have in stock, but we still don't have it complete and functioning yet STORE If you have any Questions or if you would like us to send you a Product & Price List of what we stock, call (858) 880-1400 or email us as orders@thesignsyndicate.com
  23. This is a story that was posted on our site here back in August of last year, but with more infomation. Looking into the story more closely that were provided a lot does not add up, maybe someone can correct me, if I'm wrong. Genesee Beer Sign Relit with LEDs I think the sign installers just got themselves into a bind, I sure don't know what information Garston Sign Supply supplied them has to say, it's a good idea to retrofit a classic open channel letter sign that has red neon, to LEDs. But in a couple of years they will have an unhappy customer, and this sign will be re-retrofitted. Maybe it's a good thing they left the glass housing receptacle holes in place. There are signs that can be retrofitted with LEDs, and there are signs that you just don't do, this Genesee Beer Sign is one of them. Why do you ask? Here's the question that should have been asked going into this project, and something that should have been brought up. Does saving in energy for a new light source that regularly degrades in time, outweigh the other existing light source that does not degrade in light output? Maybe Victory Sign, Mower & Associates, Davis Marketing, or Gartson Sign Supply don't know. I dont think the owners of Genesee Beer are going to be excited with a re-retrofit bill in the near future. If I'm the owner of Genesee Beer, the ROI in an expensive upfront cost to gut and retrofit this sign with flexible LEDs to gain a little savings in power every year will never happen, it's like that boat that never ports, the golden parachute that never lands. Because in a few years, the project term will be, "Re-Retrofit". The least expensive route to this project WOULD have been to simply and efficiently "re-engineer" the existing neon system, make runs closer together, make sure there is proper drains and ventilation holes, check for reliable and proper loading, remake all new glass or BETTER YET use the old glass (maybe even anneal it too) and add new electrodes preserving that old uniqueness, neon glass is CHEAP! Whammo! Done! Red Neon does not degrade in light because it's only Glass and Gas, it's not even susceptible to ambient temperatures. NOW that would have been a story, "We preserved this sign in it's original form by taking down the classic neon glass made way back in 1952, and simply removed the electrodes and repumped it". IMO Neon Project @ 380 linear feet 3.6 watts per foot = 1,368 watts $719.00 @12 hrs a day for 365 days to operate 11 Transformers = $990.00 New Wholesale Glass = $1,710.00 ****Much cheaper on glass cost for just adding new electrodes to old glass Total $2,700.00 SloanLED Flexibrite @380 linear feet 2.8 watts per foot = 1,064 watts $532.60 @ 12 hrs a day for 365 days a year to operate 22 Power Sources = $1,914.00 SloanLED Flexibrite = $7,075.00 ***Does not include the price of glue, clips, andcaps and wiring Total $8,985.00 ROI: 48 years In the media link it's said the the Beer company only pays $26 a month in energy now, that's not possible, it would be more around $46 to $50, and the consumption is not double over using neon Between the 48 years how many times will this project need to re-retrofitted? In the current state of product I'd say, at least 7 times just being generous. I just hope one day someone can't say, remember "Citgo"?
  24. The American Sign Museum gets a $900,000 donation from an "anonymous" donor so it can complete it's long anticipated permanent home. Hmmmmmm, why would a donation so huge be SO anonymous? What is there to hide? A little odd, is it not? What IS interesting is. On one side of the fence you have a brother creating antiquities by the way he mis-characterizes neon and surrenders the typewriter to his advertisers in the form of obligation pieces in his brochure magazine, to the likes of individuals like "Magic Mouth", the "New England Sign Spinner", or just about anyone who will claim that they can save end clients money by using LEDs and saving 90% in energy consumption. Throwing Neon and Fluorescent lamp technology under the bus with false claims of Mercury Dangers, and LEDs as a clean light sources sold under "green" in his "Signs Fiction", ummm, "Signs of The Times" brochure rag. Then opposite of the Community Organizer you have the "Signtologist", who just got a mysterious large anonymous donation of $900k which made a new dream possible. I like antiques too, but let's not "Create" them! One creates, one exhibits. Lastly, I think I vomited in my mouth a little bit here when I read it. The Sign Hugger finally gets her presidency for the California Sign Association. It was bound to happen sooner or later right? A Hippie throw back, Green (I mean Red) marketer just got elevated. Someone who executes statements but never explains them, another regurgitated multi-assoc. member name and face of other places & events, IS once again in charge of something. How can someone be in so many places at once? This I would like to know. Will we EVER see new faces? These associations need a serious face lift, not a small nick and tuck. Like California needs another environmentalist wacko at the top of something. Not that I really SHOULD care, I would never be an association member but she did say that "Green" is a migration, not a trend and we all better get used to it, *Cough* Cap & Trade *Cough*.... *Cough* Solyndra *Cough*, oh my, gotta clear my throat. I sure hope people at CSA has stocked up with plenty of Broccoli, and their manur...errrrr, work boots. It's going to get thick in there with constant FaceBook and Twitter "Green", and saving the planet announcements! Look around everyone, YOU are the movers and shapers of this industry! Now listen to what I need YOU to know....and believe! I'm just not a big broccoli eater myself
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