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  1. Just opened and skimmed the latest SOT article about channel letters. 1st off if anyone looks at the mag you can seen its loaded with channel letter bending machines ads that have really increased ad space this month. Hmmmm. Well once again the said that ground breaking technology has come to the channel letter market. Yes it is if this article was written 15 or 20 years ago. Nothing new has been come up with for years and most anyone who makes channel letters seriously bought a bender years ago. While automated bending is great and with a clincher or stapler is better than doing it by hand its really only 20% of building a letter. Still have to slap some LED's in it which are of course the modern miracle of the sign world. Add a bit of trim cap and viola you made yourself a set of letters. Never mind the other equipment needed, permits or UL . Its pretty plain to me that this is typical of SOT of telling a "story" that includes/benefits a advertiser, shame on them. Looking more like fakes news
  2. IN THE BEGINNING: Back when I first entered the electric sign industry in 92', I entered it with a thirst to learn more, and I had come in an age before the internet. My employer knew I had such a big thirst he had offered me his collection of Sign Builder Illustrator magazines for me to thumb through and read about all the new trends, the "How To's", I read them from cover to cover and even the adverting ads were inspiring to me. I always had so many questions for him daily because "I wanted to know" I could never learn enough, fast enough, and most of the time the others I worked alongside with didn't care. To them, this was just a daily job they clocked in and out of, and by days end they left work behind them without further thought. To me, my goal was to open my own sign business and this was a means to it, s stepping stone. So at about 94' I broke loose on my own and surrounded myself with any as many knowledgeable individuals who were masters of this trade as I could. I had a thirst that I could not fill working for someone else. 94' was probably about the same time I also went to my first Sign Show (NESA), somewhere up in the Anaheim, California which was about an hour and a half or so away from me. I brought my friend who was working for me at the time, who was actually my first salesman. I was probably about 20 years old or so. The show was medium sizes, not too small but not as large as a ISA show. Being I was limited and exposed to a local side of my trade (San Diego) and only able to read about what was outside from magazines, seeing the brand new sign cranes, vinyl plotters and other heavy machinery blew my mind away. To me, it was probably like being in Disneyland with so much to see. I was picking up brochures from just about every booth I went too, and attended as many seminars as I could. I listened to as many people as I could to get an understanding about what was going on outside of my local. I was a sponge for years to come. Fast forward a couple of years I started to notice that what I was being told, either from a supplier, magazine,or manufacturer did not equal out too what WAS. This progressed for a couple of years. It was almost like their was a divide between the individuals that I surrounded myself with who were true masters of our trade separated from the Suppliers, Media (Magazines) and Manufacturer reps (Outsiders). Maybe it was my thirst for knowledge that made me see another side of this trade that others did not. Maybe they did but didn't care, maybe they were just going to roll with whoever shaped their road, maybe they never though to question anything at all. Fast forward again to 2005 when I started The Sign Syndicate and here was the internet. It was already here years before the SS but I sure did see a rapid growth and number of people I could communicate with waaaay beyond my local. In some ways this site was a blessing for me, as it continued to fill my thirst but it also sort of killed that "magic" that I had with opening up our trade magazines and that feeling of excitement that I had walking into a sign show. I was finally able to identify the sales pitch that was being thrown at me all these years. Not to say it was all bad, but what I read, and was told, again very different than what "is". This is when the world and trade that I was in, just didn't add up anymore. I became more cynical and always questioned everything I was been told and read. This was about the time where LEDs were being pitched as the new up and coming trend. I had been used to Neon for so long I was interested to see and learn what the new fuss was about. My impression was a little tainted at first I have to admit because a lot of the claims again....didn't add up. I never had failures with Neon, I also didn't ever have to worry about starting a fire, but the marketing points that rolled down almost made me hate the product because of the way it was being packaged, marketed, & sold. It wasn't until I started to learn more about LEDs away from the hype from a few manufacturers and also the start of our own tests here on the SS that I found respect for it and developed the like for them. But the way the product was being pitched, conditioned, and sold created a whole dislike for our industry's trade magazines which became a vehicles. I hated the mis-information and mis-characterization that came from our media and I observed the stand by and "do nothing" mode/stance from our leadership (International Sign Association) for years to come. Not a peep, did I ever hear a "second" side to the portrayal, nor a movement to rebutt the accusations/attacks on our industries grand heritage and tradition that is Neon. The manipulated projected view thrown out there for public opinion was almost sinister, and Neon & Fluorescent became a "dirty" word almost overnight. Government R&D money was rapidly distributed to a few LED manufacturers which transmuted to big advertising money was thrown at our trade magazines and soon the large 1 and 2 page ads came. New memberships were also quickly added into out Sign Trade Associations and new relationships rose. There was a sudden boost of "new" money and there was no coverage of Neon any longer, and it soon spread to Fluorescent lighting as well when it came to our media. The only words we heard associated to Neon were words like "Inefficient....Hazardous.....Dangerous.....Safety Concern....Fire.....Global Warming.....Contains Mercury......Light Pollution....Old" that wrongly mis-characterized our conventional light sources. The LED industry took a few major hits with large sign program failures but we never read about those or heard about it from our leadership and the beat just kept on. Just like that a veil fell over the eyes of this trade and if you didn't know any better, never questioned what you read or were being told, or if you came into this trade to work for a sign association or trade magazine and never worked with light sources in your life, you suddenly got manipulated and trained to a new manufactured "norm" . Never did it ever get discussed that possibly, maybe....all light sources have their own unique ability and have their own strengthens and weaknesses and that all these light sources have an application in everything we build. All this industry was retaught to think was.....Neon bad.....LED good. After all, if we didn't observe our leadership to discuss the realities of light sources by measuring them and if all we read was one side stories in our trade magazines well then.....if it's in print then it must be TRUE That was the belief especially for the newcomers of this trade. The only ones who knew the real truth was the older generation, the more experienced fabricators and installers who were "hands on". That was the Sign World of 2005 to 2010 BACK THEN: So.....to our poll. It's been a little over 4 years since we started the first poll http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/forum/158-trade-magazines/ I asked the question to our Electric Sign Industry on the subject of Trade Magazines, which at the time you could not call them that respectively because they were nothing more, and no better than something in print fresh off your local Sign Supplier Brochure rack. They were only useful to advertisers who advertised in them, and those advertisers who were component/light source manufacturers were given free reign to have printed whatever they wanted. We were not reading true journalism, we were only been spoon fed an infomercial. Trade magazines were also part of the three headed monster (maybe safe to say 4 Headed but that's a different topic) that helped kill the Neon Industry with aiding these component & light source manufacturers with spreading mis-informattion, mis-characterization & propaganda about the use & usefulness of Neon which was it's "dangerous, inefficient and bad for the environment". Neon is a HUGE part of this industries heritage & tradition if not the most recognizable characteristic to those outside this trade. Neon is this industries fingerprint. You don't have to produce, install, or even sell Neon, but you have to help protect our heritage & traditions if you want to preserve our trade. As part of the Three (Four) headed monster they have done nothing to help preserve what made this industry popular and iconic, in fact they turned their backs on it for something deemed "popular" and new. As many of you know this site for years has been the only real source that has been able to put both Neon & LEDs in the proper perspective, listing the strengths & weakness's in a fair comparison with the use of our multiple undisputed industry first Light Testing Projects starting with The Great White Hope in 2008, along with many members who serve this industry as Electrical Engineers for Light Source Manufacturers for Neon & LEDs. We have always been fair and unbiased in never picking one light source be it Neon, LED, or Fluorescent as a better light source over others and out testing has helped display that. The Sign Syndicate has helped restore that balance to this industry where our leadership (International Sign Association), our trade magazines has not. The Sign Syndicate has been that thorn in the side for those who don't want to serve this industry but to just use as a selling ground and so profit farm from. A lot of this is has to do with being afraid to loose relationships, advertising, and membership money doing what comes easy rather than doing what is right. I myself have made it a mission on behalf of this sign industry, and for the love of this industry that I love to be in, to target, and point out the Sign Associations by member or chairman, the trade magazines by columnist or editor in the articles they write along with the sign companies who they quoted at every turn when they were either enabling false marketing tactics or by means of omission do to what's right. I even made it a point to stay myself away from ever building a relationship with our leadership, with individuals who work for manufacturers for this exclusive purpose for ever building into "favoritism" it's even fair to say, I've lost relationships and friendships and even advertising here on the Sign Syndicate because of that stance and because it's more important to me to discuss those topics you won't ever read about anywhere else. I've chosen principle first, and industry first before myself, and I will never look back on regret in what it cost me. What we did here on The Sign Syndicate along with many well known industry electrical engineers as stated above in both fields was bring to the forefront the real numbers of Light Output, Light Degradation (Lumen Maintenance), and costs of operations for those light sources. Something sadly, our leadership nor trade magazines NEVER wanted to dip into themselves. In fact all we ever heard were ridiculous short term Return on Investment figures along with saving the planet themes, marketeers conjuring new fears and nothing more. It was at this point in time where Neon was considered "Dirty". You have to imagine and if you give it some real hard thought......if our leadership and trade magazines were allowing/ starting a new false status-qua in the minds of our industry and in public opinion with spreading & enabling mis-characterization & mis-information about Neon, LED, & Fluorescent lighting, what else were they doing it too in our industry? After all, it's always nothing but sunshine and rainbows from them. Could this also have heavily affected the print world when it comes to solvents? This mis-characterization & mis-information is not just on the surface that affects sales, it went much deeper into affecting legislature where government comes in and dictates to you and I how we do business, and dictates what we can produce and what we cannot. It also aids government in having the power to pick winners, NOT the consumer. I don't even want to bring up California's Title 24 and what effects it's had on the electric sign industry and consumers, that's for another topic but this all plays into it. WHAT IS NOW: The Signs Syndicate has made a huge difference in ways I cannot go into great detail with, part of that has been done by the Light Comparison Tests that we have been conducting now since 2008 (40,000 hours of operation or 11 sign years later), 6 years ago to content on this website which has measured light sources, real recordable information that aids in standards. Something which our leadership ( International Sign Association ) STILL to this day has yet to to ever come out with a program, seminar, or even speak publicly about when it comes to putting light sources that are produced and used in their very own industry on using these light sources in the right application or discussing the strength and weakness's according to application use. In fact, they've even tried to make some things for our Neon Industry much worse when it comes to codes and standards. It's taken specialty groups such as The Neon Group to bring it solely upon themselves to get Neon, recognized by U.L. as a "Green" product. I'm not a "Greeny" nor support that idea of Green because I don't believe in it....BUT, they did it to help in the arena of public opinion and in PR war where it's been deemed as a "Dirty" product and light source...and they did it on their own WITHOUT the help of ISA. Neon & UL Green Leaf Now we have seen the slow rise in demand for Neon, in fact it's not by the sign shop wanting to get into manufacturing and installation because most are already assimilated into the LED theory where Neon is "Dirty" and inefficient and too timely. Neon is back in demand by the consumer who misses it, and can't they get it from most custom sign shops because they now lack the knowledge from their vested interest to LED only low labor employees. Which means if you're a sign shop who can still manufacture & install neon then you know have the least competition when it comes to bidding out those jobs, and their big money jobs these days. You don't have to believe me but you can now read the countless articles written by those in the mainstream press on restorations as well as having those big business's who want the look of Neon back. As for the trade magazines there has been a change, musical chairs for some in fact. One magazine that has been getting it wrong since day one still continues to get it wrong and on a monthly basis. This is probably because they are just like our inner core leadership in the Sign Associations, unlike the outer core real sign volunteer base the inner core employed base that collect a paycheck for being there...they have no real experience in this trade upon which they serve. They have never worked for a sign company, never fabricated or installed a sign. Nor have they ever worked a day in their life, or for a company who is a contractor who has an accounts payable & receivable. Most are outsiders, and they have come from another field like the plastic industry or have had no other experience other than serving industry after industry as a turnkey non-profit enterprise where the industry in which they serve is not close to heart. So how can they care as much to make this industry better before they move on and serve another industry such as the pool and spa trade, or some other? One magazine started to be the first to make a turn for the best for this industry but told me that fact in their face still went against the status qua, and most importantly against the "Popular thought" that makes up their technical committee. Disappointing since I came into this sign industry reading their magazine first. Which now leaves me to Signs of The Times. For many who have read my harsh/hard hitting topics & posts when it came to Trade Magazines and how they report to this industry I've never hit any other trade magazine or it's editor harder than Signs of The Times, and for years. Namely because they are the oldest magazine, and we can say they have been a apart of this industries heritage & traditions stemming from the early 1900's, AND because probably their the widest distributed magazine. We can also say that because of their longtime relationship to this trade....they have a larger part of that responsibility to "get it right" than any other. because a lot of those other trade magazines don't just vest their time in this idustry, but they serve in so many other fields and the sign industry is just one of many. If I die tomorrow I want everyone to know, no matter how hard I hit, it's never been personal, never in the slightest. It was always about doing what's right for this electric sign industry first, and if I had to have a little fun to raise that awareness in my critique that a LOT of truth to back it up....then so be it. Signs of The Times since early 2012 has made a great change and turn. Those brochure articles have disappeared, the obligation pieces aren't present either. It's more balanced for all light sources and it's better for this industry It's not perfect, it still has some areas to go into which will take courage, but at least it has "journalism", and those that run SOT genuinely, "care" . I can open that magazine up these days (I hope it won't change) and say it's pretty much the best non-biased magazine and not appear brochure like when it comes to light sources. The days to come for Signs of The Times if they want to take that big transition so we can call it a complete "journalistic" magazine will take courage on part of the ownership and they will need to weigh what is best for this industry outside themselves. To stay as is and possibly follow and report this industry till days end as our custom trade becomes commitized & bastardized by outsiders plummeting it to the bottom of the barrel as the direction is has been going. Or do the hard part and risk relationship/ties loss when it comes to reporting on our leadership, and I'm speaking of the sign associations. I've seen some articles juuuuust touch that surface, just nick it and pull out. But soon enough this industry will need that "champion" to take up the "Sword" & "Shield", not just the shield, but sword too and surge forward. Right now this industry of our is in "shake and bake" mode by our leadership. Because again, their not from OUR trade. Some are, but their in too small a position to make a difference. But for now, I'm satisfied. Many of you know I haven't even started a topic about Trade Magazine issues in some time, maybe years. The SOT has given me that peace of mind, and I haven't minded it at all, in fact I've enjoyed that time away. I can at least say this.....for now. So, this brings me to today. It's been since early 2010 since our last trade magazine poll by you. Maybe some of you have seen a shift, maybe not, maybe some of you don't care. But I thought a new poll was in order since change maybe on the mind of some of you who would like to change their position. Here is the restart, and I've just listed my reason for change in my opinion along with what has changed in 4 years, and what has not. I've just closed the January 2010 Poll because I want to lock those results for that period and begin anew. This round I will be asking it in a slightly different format. Most importantly....ENJOY! I Look forward to the results and please participate as you will make it all the more interesting.
  3. Never got a chance to Read this months issue of Signs & Digital Graphics, and in some ways due to case history when it comes to the electric sign trade, why bother? So we won't even mention them beyond this sentence Leading the way again is Signs of The Times. Why? Well, because their articles are getting better, their impartial and it’s a different magazines these days. SIGNS OF THE TIMES #1 http://www.nxtbook.c...MG/sott_201208/ Check out Nisa Khan’s, “Hype versus Reality” article on page 32, that’s what we’ve been discussing on here for years now and Nisa is just stating it in a more “elegant” fashion, rather than our more, cold, brutal honest way things fly around here. “Build To Last”, hit home for me because I’m real familiar with Stanford Signs & Awning out of Chula Vista. Jamie Del Rio their master fabricator is one of the most craftiest sign fabricators there is in the sign industry, known locally by all and you’ll catch a small phrase in the story that reads, “manual fabrication equipment”. Stanford Signs does not have a Channel Letter Machine, their true “artisans” and journeymen lead by Jamie. I’ve known Jamie and family for almost as long as I’ve been in this industry and I started in 93’. I look at some things they’ve built and I often wonder to myself “how the hell did they do that”. This Shelter Island sign displayed in SOT is beautiful to say the least, but it’s no where near the accomplishments that they have already put up in the past. This company is VERY lucky to have the fabricators that they have, any company would. Believe THAT! If you read this magazine these days, and you weren’t familiar with the insights of the industry, what you would take from this read is that there is a LOT to the sign industry. It’s journalistic right now with little bias in it. Is this the same magazine we use to always talk to badly about? When it comes to the TEK screw issue, panels where the average Joe can take part in and feel important are great and all, but a lot of this goes beyond the realm where a panel can reach. UL has gone beyond the standards and that should be known, no panel can fix what they've turned into a profit farm, they don't want that touched, they want it all exclusive. I'm not so sure we can even label them "non-profit" any longer. There is a fight now, because there is another competitor called MET Labs. It's a small burning ember that's starting to grow. http://www.thesignsy...he-hands-of-ul/ SIGN BUILDER ILLUSTRATED #2 http://issuu.com/sig...ugust_2012_full I’m partially in this magazine under “Illuminating History” page 33. I’m VERY glad to see that they used me more than I thought they would, I’m the only one that properly balances the facts out about light sources and that’s not saying much BECAUSE, they need to seek out others as well for future articles. More impartial individuals need to be sought out for such articles. You’re not going to hear the honest truth about light sources from a LED manufacturer like GE, nor are you going to hear it from the Magic Mouth out of Jacksonville who’s probably never even seen or touched a Neon lamp. So it doesn’t surprise me that they’ve only been using nothing but LEDs for all their signs. He likes for nothing more than his clients to believe in his card reading tricks. We must note that we're all STILL waiting on the Magic Mouth to come back to us and tell us about your amazing “Savings” and detail your amazing “proprietary” works that only Harbinger Signs can do in saving 85%, or was it 95%? Can’t remember. http://www.thesignsy...ber-2010-issue/ Just ignore us and keep hitting “marketing statements” that can NEVER be explained. Sign Builder Illustrated needs to "zip" the "Mouth" and never quote him again, their doing this industry of our which they serves, a dis-service. SBI was asking some short answers, but some very IMPORTANT questions that need true answers, so before I submitted my response to a few questions for this write up I sent my answers to a few manufacturers to fact check, and to check for accuracy. Now what you must understand IS, there is no short simple answers to these questions SBI was answering, it's important to get them right and correct as possible. So BIG credit to Sign Builder Illustrated for asking some real questions and I was glad to give it to them, it's typical information that's circulated and verified here on a daily basis, but not really circulated much in the marketing world of the Sign Industry and sometimes this information is a BIG awakening slap in the face, or kick in the nuts to those who believe, start, or enable marketing campaigns and statements for manufacturers. I think having a lil bit of The Sign Syndicate.com in this months SBI issue is what saved it from being another marketing piece and glad to see I was there to counter the Magic Mouth. Anytime or anything bad for the Mouth, is GOOD for the industry. We need more like this from SBI, they need to be bold and seek out other individuals that go against the status quo. Why not? SOT is already doing it, I want to see my favorite Trade Magazine follow suit. For those of you that have upgraded your free membership you can read my full write up in the Board Patron's forum http://www.thesignsy...e-full-article/ I hope SBI will use this in a future article down the road and make it available to the public. This is the kind of article that can keep SBI very competitive with SOT.
  4. I haven't seen all issues yet, but did browse through SOT. Wade's loosing his "Community Organizer" title name with me. And rightly so, his magazine is now well deserved of it. If you get a chance hit up the last page, similar as to what we reported here http://www.thesignsy...-ul-green-leaf/ It IS all about education when it comes to regulators, all you have to do is have a conversation with NEWOA's Environmental Wacko, errrrrrr, Director Ms.Knabel If I can spare anyone a conversation I should be deserved a peace award! In a side note, now that SOT has reported Neon as a "Green" Product there's no going back. This is a plus for the Electric Sign Industry, because it now carves a path for future articles that once mis-characterized Neon. Other trade mags to follow when they come out
  5. May 2012 - Trade Magazines

    What a turn of and change of the tide. I'm both optimistic, and well....disappointed. Signs Of The Times For the second month in a row Signs of The Times has out glowed and out shined in Sign Terms all of the other magazines that try to serve this industry of ours. I'm optimistic about SOT, they dug in a little more when it came to solar lighting, they still need to dig in more about longevity. But that aside, again another month of well balanced articles. Ima gonna have to buy the Community Organizer a beer next ISA -The ISA REPORT The ISA report well, they're still trying to push the agenda of their marketers on the Green movement (Acorn Graphics), trying to rejuvenate yesterdays news today, just gets old by the time it comes out in the print magazine after all the hardcore marketing they've already done all over Sign Web, LinkedIn, Facebook and all the other social media outlets. There are still those minority within ISA who holds a grip with an iron fist over all the others and who are trying to push this movement on the sign user who, Aren't even asking for it, or even appreciating what companies like Acorn Graphics spend so much time and energy doing, these end users aren't even making a request for Green products. All they care about is, "is it cheap?" Well, Green is not cheap, it's just something where you pay more as a consumer and get less in return. The Magic Mouth out of Jacksonville is still trying to save the planet with his "Save 80%" re-pastes in SignWeb and his site but yet can't seem to prove it to any of his fellow colleagues, us. I even noticed the deleted post on SignWeb I made about the Mouth. I made it back when Sign Web originally uploaded the article on their site from SOT. No big deal about the deletion if that's what they like to do, it was just a link asking Steve to "splain" his fuzzy math to us, something he said he was going to do. He's just to busy in Japan and peddling around on Vespa Scooters, something I take offense too. There are scooters, and their are the cool scooters, a Vespa. The ISA report a side which is no fault to SOT, except that they should need to dig a little and uncover. I'm not real big on this "Hands Across America" membership drive ISA has going, or as they put it the "Barstool" effect. When you join your local Sign Association you join ISA, and Visa Versa. Also linked into this money grab is The Signage Foundation, who gets insta support now with all that money. Uhhhhhh. They say all this is to better combat the agencies like the EPA, ans OSHA because they have a wobbly base when their not united (all for our benefit). Well, ISA always has had a wobbly base. The fact of the matter is, they have never combated any government or bureaucratic agenda. Oh wait, I take that back! Unless it's a LED EMC policy, or a planning dept battle over local municipal sign ordinances. But I thought they were already solidified, I mean the Broccoli Eater is now HNIC of CSA, also the HNIC of propaganda for ISA, err Marketing. Also chairs a few other sign associations. When you have so many other sign association board members spread across and holding positions in different associations concurrently like that isn't it already one big orgy? In fact, they roll with regulation, I think in some ways they look forward to new regulation as said in a few of their past ISA Reports, just so they can turn it into a paid /membership/program/webinar for the rest of the industry. That's all we get. In my eyes this is nothing more than spreading the wealth, cutting out the competition or eliminating competing sign associations. A way of wacking, taking out the other Mob Bosses into one, or circumcising them enough that there will only be one head and one way. But it's so much happier when they portray this happy image This report doesn't take anything away what SOT did this month. So, their Numero Uno for May! Sign Builder Illustrator Sign Builder illustrator.....Good Lord I thought Jeff Wooten was on a good roll in the latter months of late 2010 even when I wrote a few non-biased articles and contributions. Now his magazine is starting to look like SOT of 2010 & 11'. They have fallen from grace. If you want to read some serous brochure articles filled with nothing but propaganda and Magic Mouth'isk obligation pieces, sadly Sign Builder Illustrator is in the beginning stages of last years and latter years of SOT articles. I don't know why Jeff is printing this junk with no real numbers to prove, and not fact checking anything. We've already done one here of the Sylvania /Seimans Sign save 90% & it's getting progressively worse. He's even jumping on the Green band wagon with each issue that comes out and to nowhere. When you start to see the one sided articles from the good Dr. of The CAO Group who was real big in Signs & Digital Graphics you already know what you're in store for before you even bother to read. Again, sad to see something I thought was the one magazine that had the potential to publish what others weren't, or were afraid too. I hope things get changed around fast, any way I can help to toss a life persevere in, I'll do it....gladly! Signs & Digital Graphics Still a lost cause, I don't even know if I should even mention them because I don't even know if anyone still reads them. This magazine only has a vote or two in our trade magazine poll, is it any wonder why? It's like watching a episode of "Back to the future". Ken Mergentime plays "Doc" and warps us back in time to 2005 in a Prius where any LED is the best thing since sliced bread, anything Fluorescent or Neon is bad and inefficient. In fact over there, their still stock on Mercury with no knowledge that it takes more just to manufacture and LED. The only positive there is, is at least Ken likes my coined phrase "Eco-Tyranny"
  6. April 2012 issue of Signs of The Times. Let's bookmark this as probably one of the best issues I've seen in a very, very long time. From Darek Johnson getting outside the box some articles in between, to Victory at Yorktown, which has a funny story behind it, those who know probably know what I'm talking about. Maybe play the song, "Loosing my religion? in the background? If the Editor is going to obligate one side of his base all the time, he better ALSO obligate one of his main men that make the magazine happen once in a while. Congrats to SOT, and to one of the best issues I've seen, well balanced, keep it up! Yeah, I said it!
  7. The Sign Syndicate.com - February 2012 Video Update Fun, controversial, and always entertaining information of our electric sign industry. February 2012 video update for the Sign Syndicate.com
  8. This is a story that was posted on our site here back in August of last year, but with more infomation. Looking into the story more closely that were provided a lot does not add up, maybe someone can correct me, if I'm wrong. Genesee Beer Sign Relit with LEDs I think the sign installers just got themselves into a bind, I sure don't know what information Garston Sign Supply supplied them has to say, it's a good idea to retrofit a classic open channel letter sign that has red neon, to LEDs. But in a couple of years they will have an unhappy customer, and this sign will be re-retrofitted. Maybe it's a good thing they left the glass housing receptacle holes in place. There are signs that can be retrofitted with LEDs, and there are signs that you just don't do, this Genesee Beer Sign is one of them. Why do you ask? Here's the question that should have been asked going into this project, and something that should have been brought up. Does saving in energy for a new light source that regularly degrades in time, outweigh the other existing light source that does not degrade in light output? Maybe Victory Sign, Mower & Associates, Davis Marketing, or Gartson Sign Supply don't know. I dont think the owners of Genesee Beer are going to be excited with a re-retrofit bill in the near future. If I'm the owner of Genesee Beer, the ROI in an expensive upfront cost to gut and retrofit this sign with flexible LEDs to gain a little savings in power every year will never happen, it's like that boat that never ports, the golden parachute that never lands. Because in a few years, the project term will be, "Re-Retrofit". The least expensive route to this project WOULD have been to simply and efficiently "re-engineer" the existing neon system, make runs closer together, make sure there is proper drains and ventilation holes, check for reliable and proper loading, remake all new glass or BETTER YET use the old glass (maybe even anneal it too) and add new electrodes preserving that old uniqueness, neon glass is CHEAP! Whammo! Done! Red Neon does not degrade in light because it's only Glass and Gas, it's not even susceptible to ambient temperatures. NOW that would have been a story, "We preserved this sign in it's original form by taking down the classic neon glass made way back in 1952, and simply removed the electrodes and repumped it". IMO Neon Project @ 380 linear feet 3.6 watts per foot = 1,368 watts $719.00 @12 hrs a day for 365 days to operate 11 Transformers = $990.00 New Wholesale Glass = $1,710.00 ****Much cheaper on glass cost for just adding new electrodes to old glass Total $2,700.00 SloanLED Flexibrite @380 linear feet 2.8 watts per foot = 1,064 watts $532.60 @ 12 hrs a day for 365 days a year to operate 22 Power Sources = $1,914.00 SloanLED Flexibrite = $7,075.00 ***Does not include the price of glue, clips, andcaps and wiring Total $8,985.00 ROI: 48 years In the media link it's said the the Beer company only pays $26 a month in energy now, that's not possible, it would be more around $46 to $50, and the consumption is not double over using neon Between the 48 years how many times will this project need to re-retrofitted? In the current state of product I'd say, at least 7 times just being generous. I just hope one day someone can't say, remember "Citgo"?
  9. I'd like to get some opinions of the various trade magazines we have for our sign trade. I'm referring this topic to the electric sign industry of our trade. Are you of the opinion that they are genuinely helpful? Or are they just used to promote products of their vendors and advertisers? Do we really see "Honest Journalism" that performs background checks, information checks into what they write BEFORE publishing. Do they preserve our sacred trade? Or are most articles intended to propagandize and sell first, integrity second? Have you ever seen a "whistle blower" hard investigative type articles from any of them? Articles that deal with product quality & integrity, industry monopolies, etc? Why have we never seen test comparisons of light products on Neon & LED's published like The Sign Syndicate.com has done for over a year now? With so many article used to promote products and the "anyone can do it, & sell it" attitude aimed at amateurs, what level of danger by inexperienced individuals does this affect? What effect does it have on the qualified individuals and companies? I ask this mainly because of all the surveys various trade magazines have been sending me. It seems they are not asking the right questions of why I would read one over the other or none at all, but asking me who I read or follow, and how often.
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