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    • By Erik Sine
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      * Black
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      * Gold
      * Silver (Brushed Silver Appearance)
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      * Red ( 3M Poppy Red 3630-143 | Pantone 179 C )
      * Blue ( 3M Intense Blue 3630-127 | Pantone 300 C )
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      * Yellow ( 3M Sunflower 3630-25 | Pantone 124 C )
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      Some notes I'd like to add about this product.

      Some may have used this product in the past and some may have never had a chance. This product disappeared from suppliers right after 9/11 from what I understand there were Customs issues that made it too costly to bring in.

      IF you remember this product from long ago, you will be glad it's back (just like the reaction I've gotten to all who have purchased from me).

      IF you have never used it, your fabricators will love you for using it, it's MUCH MUCH easier to work with and notch, you won't get those splits you sometimes get on corners.
      My other understanding is that this product was mainly distributed on the west coast, so not many on the east coast have ever tried it. My advice is try it, believe me YOU will LOVE it!

      Before 9/11 I used PLASCO and the Silvatrim Trimcaps. I still have signs up 16+ years and this trim cap is still up, it's very durable.
       
       
       
      PLASCO Trim for Polycarbonate Channel Letter Faces
      Plasco is an excellent channel letter trim cap to be used to fabricated polycarbonate / Lexan channel letter faces. We also stock Channel Bond, the 1 part system which makes it easy for bonding Plasco Trim to Polycarbonate. You can also find Channel Bond here
       
      PLASCO VS JEWELITE
      In another thread I was asking why anyone east of Colorado "WHY" they mainly buy 1" Jewlite and not 3/4" Jewelite for 24" Channel Letters and smaller.
       
      The reason seems to be is that when you use 1" Jewelite with a standard 3/16" channel letter face the 1" Jewelite gives you more clearance because the arrow extrusion protrudes more than 1/4" from the face giving you less mechanical fastening room. Make sense but 1" is very tough to notch, bend and get in small letter centers too because of that arrow extrusion.
       
      I was always use to Plasco Trim Cap in my years of the sign industry, NOT Jewelite because on the West Coast Plasco was stocked more than Jewelite before 9/11. So after this "clearance" point was brought up I did some quick measuring because I had a east coast client buy Plasco 1" to match up with his regular use of 1" Jewelite. Then shortly after receiving his order with 3/4" samples he soon after starting ordering 3/4". I asked him why the change in smaller trim. He said the change was because the 3/4" Plasco trim gave him the same fastening clearance that he got buying 1" Jewelite. He went from paying about $70.00 per roll to $44.75 saving $32.15
       
      I've attached some images to show you that you can use 3/4" Plasco Trim Cap that will give you the same clearance as 1" Jewelite IF clearance is important to you.
       
      Plasco vs. Jewelite - Here we display the channel letter baseline along with the clearance you get using 3/4" & 1" Plasco / Jewelite Trim Caps

       
      1" Jewelite clearance

       
      1" Plasco - More mechanical clearance than 1" Jewelite

       
      3/4" Plasco - Just about the same mechanical clearance as using 1" Jewelite

       
      3/4" Jewelite - Less mechanical clearance than 3/4" Plasco

       
      1" Jewelite - Arrow extrusion protrusion more than 1/4" past the channel letter face.

       
      http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/miscstuff/adverts/examples/Plasco Trim Cap.JPG
       
      U.L. Sign Accessories Manual Info
      Plasco is a Elkamet product made in Germany and their U.L. file number is E10010

      ELKAMET KUNSTSTOFFTECHNIK GMBH GEORG-KRAMER STRASSE 3
      PO BOX 1263
      35216 BIEDENKOPF FED REP GERMANY Aluminum reinforced sign face trim, Type Elkamet Profiles.
      E100102
      1. These trim materials are used to secure a rigid thermoplastic sign face to an outdoor or indoor sign.
      2. The ability of the trim to exclude water from contacting live parts needs to be evaluated in the end product.
      3. Minimum No. 8 sheet metal screws need to be provided for securing the trim to the sign body. The maximum spacing
      between screws shall not exceed 18 in. and no fewer than four screws are to be used per face.
      4. These products do not comply with enclosure requirements.
      5. The sign trim face shall be "Continuous solvent or adhesive bonding" to secure the sign face and trim together in one of the
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      Sign Face (Generic Material) = Methyl Methacrylate (Acrylic)
      Solvent = MethyleneChloride
      Sign Trim (Generic Material) = Cellulose Acetate Butyrate




       
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    • By Erik Sine
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      I haven't posted any jobs lately and I need to play catch up.
       
      So I'll start with our latest projects and work myself backwards
       
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      So here are some retrofit jobs that make REAL sense.
       
       
      NEON RETROFIT
       

       
      Here's a chain of Studio's that I've been doing since the early 2000's. 
       
      This particular sign is only partially mine, everything from the Logo and red letters. 
       
      This was the first job I did for them leading up to fabricating all new signs for their locations.  The white is from the previous location and Neon has been in it's original form since the late 90's, and it's 6500K Snow White.  The logo is 15mm Tri-phosphor, Elite 65D I believe.  The Logo and Red was done in 2008.  It's very hard to tell because red and white is hard to capture and a cell phone cam does no justice but the White lettering is dimmer than illustrated and is about 50% of it's original light output. 
       
      Not bad for 20+ plus year old lamps!!
       
      So the owner called up and wanted a revamp.  Had I been the average shop you bet the immediate response would have been LED!  SAVINGS!!!!!  BULLSHIT!  BULLSHIT!
       
      Well, no. 
       
      We're logical over here in SoCal, a land where 50¢ modules would have replaced the Lamp Art.
       
      The logical choice, and more economical choice for the consumer?
       

       
      Going from a single halo phosphate 6500K Snow White Neon lamp to a Tri-Phosphor EGL Designer 7100 Series Lamps.
       
      When we moved and installed (2008) this sign we did so with Tecnolux Silicone GTO and Caps.  All that was needed for this retrofit was new lamps, and leaving the awesome silicone GTO and transformers in place!
       
      Now, I owe you a night shot, the iphone pic I took was garbage, so I'll update that soon.  But the Logo and White letters match up well, and even with the old faces, the sign illuminates like a new sign at night. 
       
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      LED RETROFIT
       
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      It would have been better had I taken night pics, BUT...I didn't know I would be posting and writing about it here so
       
      Had this been some other shop, I'm sure the nightmare would have continued
       

       

       

       
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      Beautiful!
       

       

       
      Check out that crazy light meter reading!  That's almost 300 surface Foot Candles, which is about the equivalent light output to a 13mm Tri-phosphor white Neon Lamp behind white acrylic.
       
      If that is not simply utterly gross and disgusting, and you're not just sickened by that number, you have no stomach
       
      These Reckless-3 LEDs will NOT be powered up by their low budget power supplies but rather our Union LED Power Supplies made in KOREA, not CHINA!!!
       
       
       
       
       
       
      It's usually best to retrofit out with what was already in a sign, and not change one light source to another.  It's makes more financial sense in MOST cases, not all, but most.
       
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Erik Sine
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