JR Neon

Way to many peeps to welcome.....I'll just do it here... WELCOME

Boooyaaa Happy Belated Birthday......Cabinet looks awesome

I heard the other day that were getting stiffed also by some of the major sign builders that shipped us their signs for install.

Now where am I going to get all my cheap trinkets for all my girlfriends come Xmas????

What do the neighbors say? Happy Birthday Big Man!

We have older Rolands and from what I see they are just that, old! Still have them, I'm sure they weren't cheap. You won't find a hand or power tool in any of the guys tool bins, they'll laugh at you and shoot you down a ladder

I'm new myself but can't tell you how much this forum greatly helps and how much I have learned since joining in on discussions. Now, I'm a more advanced Floor Sweeper Haha But welcome to all the newer but more experienced members

I wonder what percentage electric signs are in frigid zones versus milder climates. Cool for ABC to supply the cabinet

I got mine, got the usual "click to download images" I use Yahoo and it was in my spam folder

I am in like Flynn

Just make sure i'm #1 of the 300

Awesome, this would be great to attend

Have you guys ever thought about having a meeting to talk shop? Meet at a central point at someones shop? I though about this the other day. I do this with friend of friends who go to the desert, we meet at a motorcycle shop and talk about quad and bike motors. We also bring things we'd like to sell, sort of a small swap meet A thought -Mike

Interesting indeed. We have done many LED channel letters but my boss has since stirred us away unless specified. All our skyscraper signs have been all neon (sometimes fluorescent lamps but then you have the service issues) as we want brightness and lost confidence in the Gelcores and others. I don't do the installs way up there , they can't pay me enough haha. But I thought it curious when a sign is way up high LED's would be a choice

I'm reading The Signs Of The Times and came upon a question in explanation. "Reality Check into LED claims" under subheading "neon" the author says "-and it's difficult to scale up neon tubing for super-large signs" Would she still be talking about letters or more large scale light cabinets? I'm getting the impression she's still talking about lettering, and unsure about "upscaling". We've done signs on sky scrappers, so this caught my attention.

Gary, I will be the Paul Revere of my company with such hard to come by info and news! -Mike

Never heard of 2415 red now that you bring it up haha, just kidding I don't have much to say other than keep up with bringing us the info. This site is very informative and believe it or not my eyes are getting wider to the happenings. I can't help out in anyway by threatening to cancel a membership as I don't have that power but I would love to have a beer or two and pick your brains at the next show. I, can however help out by supporting this site when I can. Maybe my contribution will help you get your much needed dedicated server or maybe lobby money for bribery, lol Hope you all are having a great weekend. -Mike [from someone one always reading] Your new Board Patron

I think the idea is good, member familiarity may work in favor rather than a broad google search

That's what I was trying to do with the 6$ figure. I was fractionalized the labor cost of what I thought it was. I'm sure I'm way off too. This is just for my own knowledge. I do see your point Gary or comparisons. Now you have me asking another question in your last post. When you say "neon can't to that" are you referring to the "white" or the "0 degrees" I have heard neon has problems in the cold but I have no experience with that. It's a cold 78 outside and it's winter here.

You'll have to excuse me. I am new and as I'm doing this I'm getting tid bits of info from my fellow co-workers because I'd like to know what the break down is for one 2 foot letter on neon as well. I work in a shop where verbal communication is hard but things get done here. I want to learn more but, the communication barrier is there again. Hense why I'm here. I asked a few who weren't too busy and I was trying to average it out. I'm sure my math and configuration is off that's why I was asking for help. I figured our bender here, who I think makes about 18-25 per hour. He says he can bend about 2-5 letters an hour depending on what kind of letter. I THINK With our setup he says we can process about 10-20 letters, depending on who is here, and this can change on the type of glass. So my 6$ figure was based on dividing the quantity by hourly pay, I did not really account for cost of glass and gas. I can't imagine it's too much, but then again i don't do the purchasing here. Am I off? I got the figures about watts per foot from this site that has the chart. I measured out one of the neon patterns that was 15mm snow white. What do you think this figure would be per letter? Mike

I may need some help with this but if I do a neon letter of 2', single stroke and looking at a pattern right in front of me that is 5' of glass. On a 15 30 transformer this 2 foot letter would be 10% or 9.5$ of power supply plus glass cost, 95$ for the transformer. I can power up about 8-10 of these units off the same transformer. Glass cost with labor hmmmm, 6$ each? I got a figure of about 3watts a foot so total 15watts per letter. Total 16$ This is my best guess estimate of course. some of our signs that we ship out for others to install, we do so glass already in with gel coated tube supports, greenfield-- gto straps ready for splice boxes. So these to can go up pretty fast. Not to get into a debate but after doing both led and neon there is not a whole lot of time difference.

I agree totally. I'm here but I'm reading and learning, still to new. Watching from the dark, hahah

Congrats man on you're new bundle!

you can't put me and artistic in the same sentance

Kind of off topic but heres an extention to calculate the perimeter on letters. A good little tool, can help with channel letters and such http://www.isocalc.com/cooltools/measure-perimeter.htm