[LED Retrofits for Neon & Fluorescent Lamps - Overlooked Facts]

On 4/17/2017 at 11:54 AM, jamesw001 said:

Great article.

 

I've had issues with LED retrofits in lighted sign cabinets because the LEDs will cast shadows on the faces if there is anything at all between them and the face, even a frame for a flex-face sign.  That's not a problem with fluorescent tubes because of the way they cast light in all directions.

 

Yes, why isn't there more info on this out there???

It seems to be a huge issue on retro fits. Can anybody shed ant light (hah) shadows on this??

thanks

[Who's OLD]

How about "gold leaf", Remember the bank Jobs Windows & doors with Real 23K old sign lettering done reverse( second surface) with gelatin. Matte centers with bright outline. That is talent that isn't known today. I guess I am old. WOW. I miss the days of making money with a few ounces of One Shot and my quills. What paper work...Heres your hand written invoice/ recept for the job & a Hand shake & the phone woulkd always ring again with a satisfied customer needing another sign or truck done. About the only place we get to come close to this today is a sandblasted or carved sign, but the computer is still envolved. We still do some loose leaf 23 gold surface guilding. I really enjoy those jobs, but they are becoming quite rare. Still have a few truck drivers request hand pinstriping so the sword brushes are in the oil waiting for the next job.

[International Sign & Design in trouble?]

they stung a buddy of mine too. he did 12,000 worth of work for them (dairy queens) here in colorado.

I have lost jobs from national sign co.'s because I have been firm with terms of 50% deposit since I started out. but I now have 3 friends who either own or work for other sign companies that are out anywhere from 12,000 to 80,000 from these failed or failing nationals.

no pay no play. the days of p.o.'s without depost checks and variations on that theme need to go in the dustbin. no one should be able to expect tens of thousands of dollars worht of work without at least 50% down.

This is true, but they lead you on telling you just get this one done, we have more work for you in your area.

Then this happens.... so much for promises!

They had the nerve to tell me they had filled & then said they wanted to continue working with us!

How stupid do they think we are.

I guess they figure theres another sucker out there somewhere.

[International Sign & Design in trouble?]

Us too!

They got us on a DQ as well & as stated before, the project was a mess.

The signs were not shipped complete, missing parts & they wanted us to field fab the Blade sign

We negotiated continuing the project with a partial payment, & finally recieved the final roof top portion of the sign 3 weeks ago. We installed it & called about payment. I was told on Thurs they were filling Chapter 11.

They owe approx $6,000

We have had difficulty ourselves, & this could put us out.

I don't trust anyone anymore.

We are going to have to call all the companies we are doing installs with & tell them we have new terms for everyone due to this.