B.O.P.

As much as I would like to hear/see that, I think the jury will take several days and will find him not guilty. I'm only going by what I've seen and heard from the media (and you know how that goes), but the prosecution took a couple hard hits in this thing - ones that went the opposite way that they anticipated. It made them look ill-prepared and like a bunch of amatures. However, with that said, even if he is found not guilty, I think he will end up with a life similar to O.J.'s. The Hollywood crowd has pretty much already disowned MJ :banana:

"Perhaps you are asking the wrong questions?" You gotta be kidding... What the hell kind of response is that from a company with "a full tech department" and "on-site service"? Try getting your full tech department to ask the customer the RIGHT questions! :hammer: No offense, and it's just my $0.05, but that was a lame response

Didn't think you would :beer: Customer service should be #1. Even if you can't resolve the customers problem or answer their questions, at LEAST return their phone calls and/or emails.

I was thinking the same thing. Another question: How old is the plex? It gets more brittle as it gets older if it's exposed to sun light.

A brass valve rated for high vacuum (not just vacuum - there is a difference) for a third the cost of a Pyrex O-ring valve? Either you found a great deal on the brass valves or someone is trying to hose you down on the Pyrex ones. What sizes are you comparing?

Nah, some people just don't know any better :D

There are numerous reasons why metals should not be used. The most obvious is the safety factor. You will be in close proximity to high voltage. (And please no one give me the argument about "proper grounding". This only induces bombarder flashback, not prevent it). Peak voltages on the order of what a bombarder is capable of producing can go to more than one ground path simultaneously. If you are in contact with the manifold when a bombarder flashback occurs you may be enough of a ground potential to attract some of that voltage. It has happened before with a "properly grounded" metal manifold. Although the operator survived, he did suffer serious medical problems. Some not so obvious reasons are: Mercury, which will eventually get into the manifold via vapor form even if you have a good trap, will amalgamate to copper and brass. In the case of stainless steel it will etch the surface after extended periods of exposure. Copper will have to be soldered together. Unless it is OFC grade (oxygen free copper) the solder joints will eventually start to oxidize causing micro pipes (microscopic leak paths). When this happens the manifold will never pump down sufficiently and will always leak. The leaks will be next to impossible to find without the use of a helium leak detector. You will not be able to use the spark tester to check for leaks. High vacuum metal valves are expensive compared to glass high vacuum O-ring valves and you will have the same problem with mercury. Further, high vacuum copper valves do not exist to my knowledge. You cannot visually see when a metal manifold should be cleaned. And when cleaning you cannot tell if the cleaning was successful. In the instance of mercury amalgamation to the surface, it will require some serious chemicals to remove it, which usually have an adverse affect on the metal. There are other reasons, but this should give you an idea. The best choice for neon manifolds is Pyrex. Pyrex provides a stronger, more durable structure and allows more compact and intricate fabrication designs than soft glass. Borosilicate glass (Pyrex) has superior outgassing properties compared to soft glass, metals and metal surfaces. It is easily cleaned (provided you use a hydrocarbon based lubricant and do NOT use silicone grease) and the effectiveness can be visually seen. Glass is an electrical insulator, so it adds a safety margin to working closely to high voltage. IMO, any neon person who is considering a metal manifold should re-examine what they are considering. Mark@SVP www.svpneon.com

Umm... I think I'll pass on that one

Marinate in a plastic bag with Seven Seas Viva Italian dressing for a few hours. Brush some on while they are grilling too. You will be telling all your friends about your new "secret recipe". :beer:

I believe it's "skeet" shooting, if mechanically launched clay pigeons (disks) are what you are talking about.

Hey, here's a novel idea: Why don't you just contact the company who's rights you think you may be violating? Send them an email asking them what rights (if any) they have to the name - or whatever it is of theirs you are using. As for my phone number, what is it you hope to gain by calling me? My schedule is full. With all due respect, I don't have the time to sit and surf the web for you. As the Admin said, it will take a lot of reading and time, which I don't have for something that does not concern me. No offense, that's just the way it is. I use a few minutes during my meal breaks to scan the forums. I don't sit here all day on the computer - unless it is something I am researching for my own business. Good luck with your endeavor.

Well, which is it? Patent or Copyright? They are not the same thing. Go to www.google.com. Type in either "patent search" or "copyright search" depending on which on you want to search for. You will get numerous websites that can do the search for you. Read the fine print carefully! Oh yeah, they usually charge you for it so have your credit card handy :D

Try doing an online patent search. If they are a US company and they don't have an International patent and you didn't sell your... umm... "copy" in the US, what are you worried about?

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Naa - he wouldn't be asking if he did

Hey, what's wrong with Michael Jackson? Oops, wrong question: What's NOT wrong with Michael Jackson. He's the best freak show in the country

Excellent water cooler/office politics analogy!

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Where did you see them on signweb.com? It would help if we could see what context they were used in. Please post the link to what you are referring to. Applebee's (Neighborhood Bar & Grill) is a chain restaurant. They have locations in most States in the U.S. Don't know if they have any in other countries. Best Sign could mean a few different things. It is the name of a sign company. I have sold them equipment before. And there may be more than one sign company with this name. It could also mean that someone has the "best sign" in a sign contest, or in someone's opinion. Hope this helps.

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Never received the info

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Oh oh, lets not start...

Yeah, but what about my EYES? :hammer:

Sure like it better than the black background ;)