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    The Drake Hotel Sign

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    Dont flatter yourself thinking you know mw. I dont do vinyl, dont paint signs, and have never done a love Gary sign. However, did do wholesale neon for my career. Nothing special....just neon, lots of it. Walgreens across the country, boston markets everywhere, targets, small jobs. My hands did the work...it wasnt me watching guys work. Just me and lots of glsss. In between did tons of research on dpumps, msnifolds, trodes, and oumping processes, and lots of glass.

    So stop trying to bait me.

    The Drake Hotel Sign

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    We get a kick out of some texans that write untruths.

    You write that glass tubes release mercury, especially after they are broken? So you sre saying that if unbroken that they still release mercury? Ha.

    You say that anyone bending neon for lots of years HAS to suffer from merc poisoning? Ha. My dad, 54 years, Al Sklar about 60 years, myself at 40 years, Dean Blazek at about 40 years.....and many more old farts that have died......did not have, nor ever have, issues with merc poisoning. Tim Cummings whose business was epa testing of neon shops would totally destroy your bunk about us old timers and merc issues.

    How bout explaining to all of us a bit of who you are, your background in the sign business and your experience with neon AND led, and from where you have received such wrong information that you have been stating as fact.

    The Drake Hotel Sign

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    Posted · Edited by Gary Nutting

    Just post out on the open here for all to see.

    I know we're not talking about modules. I'm just relaying the fact that good lasting LED modules run about $4 a foot, let alone having to pay for the extra make up for the clips, glue, extrusions, splicers and gel coats, silicone caots or lens etc etc. So $4 a foot to pay for all that just sounds cheezy and I'm sure the integrity and quality is not there.

    Again, you're taking a tangent from the purpose of this thread which is "Open Face" channel letters where Neon & Flexible LEDs used to simulate "Neon". Not "Border" lights.

    But yes, environment is a BIG key factor on what type of light source you want to use for your applications. Humidity, Heat, Frigid Temps, Hurricanes & Tornadoes.

    If this Drake Sign was somewhere in the south where hurricanes touch down all the time and the purpose of going to LED was for that then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

    Yes, climate does play a factor.

    You are in California where neon works wonderful 365 days a year, I'm not.

    Getting back to the OP the sign is in Chicago where its below freezing for a good number of months out of the year. Neon will be dim as a firefly (if it even lights) while LED's are shining brighter than ever.

    The Drake sign was red and will not be dim. So, again, learn what you speak of......

    The Drake Hotel Sign

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    You really should learn more. I am a neon guy, and love led. But can't stand the B.S. Neon is hazardous material, you say? 100 recyclable!! And a "green product" by the green people.

    Not like the vast carcinogens released making led products. Learn more about what you speak bud.

    The Drake Hotel Sign

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    Surely you jest? After 150mph winds and the building and sign and town is demolished, the led's are still working? Whoooopie!

    If the building were to catch fire I bet your led would burn and melt before the neon tube! I bet your 12v wire would shrivel up before the silicone wire would. If lightning hit, want to bet your electronic power supply would get killed before a core_coil transformer?

    So if you are going to TRY and prove a point for led then skip your one extreme that is bull.

    The Drake Hotel Sign

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    Repump when the gas leaks out? The tubes get hot enough to catch awnings on fire? And nothing bothers an led system?

    The only valid thing you stated was leds run at 12 or 24 volts. Everyyhing else wss typical led bullshit propaganda. You trully n=d to learn a bit more about neon.....

    March 2014 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results

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    In quickly peaking, I would really wonder why the egl 13mm requires more watts, and is so many many more lunens? Not conceivable. You have 2 feet of glass. You have gas and electricity. Period. If the fill pressure and gas purity, and pressure are the same, then wattage would be similar to others. Powder might change lumens, but not to extent you show.

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