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LED Comparison Test Results - Free

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Attached below are the free Project Tighty Whitey Year 1 test results that we have declassified. These tests are viewed only by members who upgraded their free membership to support this site. Year one is now available to the public. If these test results are something that you feel might benefit you, please consider upgrading your free membership supporting this site and keeping up with the current results as we just kicked off year 4. You will also will have access to other test comparisons like The Great White Hope (Large High Powered Neon & LED Lamps), The Red Light District (Red Neon & LED Lamps), Project Facilities (Facility Lighting), and our newest Border Security (Neon & LED Border Tube Lamps) as well as access to helpful tutorials.

Free Project Tighty Whitey Test Results Year One

PTW Year 1 LED Test Results.pdf

Free Great White Hope Test Results Year One (Released June 2011)

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