LED Module Light Efficiency - Seeing is Believing
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By Erik Sine
We always strive on information here on The Sign Syndicate. Everything from National Sign & Subcontractor Reviews on "payments & relationships" to "How To"...better ways to build sign systems and projects based on longevity & reliability .
So, we're very, VERY excited (I want to say "Super Excited" but it's so over used) to announce our whole new upcoming Sign Syndicate 24V BrightON (Pronounced like the city) LED system just got even better. Better because we will be complimenting our High Powered, High Efficient LED Module system with France Lighting Solutions 24V LED Drivers.
I have talked about France products quite a bit here over the years, mainly when it comes to Neon. The quality, that high bar of standards, most importantly....the "Reliability".
From Neon to LED Power Supplies, expect nothing different, nothing less from France Lighting Solutions. But, actually here is something different about their LED Drivers, something "Cool".
The France LED Drivers are the ONLY drivers that are "True Power".
What is "True Power"?
In short......It means they are the ONLY LED driver in the electric sign industry that you can load to the MAX. Not the typical load to 80% - 85% leaving room for voltage loss, wiring etc. Load to MAX.....if you want.
We are just a month away from releasing the Sign Industries most light/power efficient LED Module on the market that will definitely put it's mark on this industry. You'll be able to get the most light for very little cost of operation. Get more for less.....be on a 24V system which give sign shops the unique ability to load more modules on a single power supply. A 24V system is half the amperage and reduces the heat, resistance, that run across the wiring and modules compared to a 12V system, improving reliability of your LED Lighting System.
With a 24V system you're not restricted to 60 Watts per channel, BUT 96 Watts.....that's almost double!
Complimenting our new LED System with France's "True Power" LED Drivers and adding them to your electric sign projects you'll be able to load 120 .8w BrightON 2 LED modules. That's 76.25 Linear feet of high powered LED modules for anything from everyday channel letters to cabinet & perimeter lighting.
For our High Powered Sign Cabinet Lighting module, BrightON SunFire (3w), that France "True Power" LED Driver will give you up to 32 Linear Feet for your Sign Cabinets
France Lighting Solutions DRV24100E Dry & Damp Location
France Lighting Solutions DRV24100A Dry, Damp & WET Location
Those Sign Face Foot Candle numbers!!! Look at the "Foot Candles Per Watt" (Higher is better)
Our complete High Powered High Efficient BrightON LED System with France Lighting Solutions, that's DOUBLE reliability!!!
Now Available!!!
France "True Power" 24V LED Power Supplies
http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/store/category/22-led-power-supplies/
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By Erik Sine
Our 24V France "True Power" Lighting Solution products that will power our Sign Syndicate Brighton LEDs have finally arrived and are now listed up in our Online Shopping Cart.
You'll be able to power up 120 .8watt BrightON II LED Modules on a single 96W France LED Power Supply for all your channel letter and sign cabinet projects!!!
That means cost savings in using less LED Power Supplies in using a 24V system over a 12V system.
A 24V System halves the Amperage reducing the Heat, & Resistance running across your LED Modules over a 12V system which improves liability to your system
Two HUGE pluses for your projects, High-End, High Efficiency Constant Current 24V BrightON LEDs powered by True Power France Lighting Solutions Engines.
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By Erik Sine
Maybe I should have titled it "That BrightON Halo Illumination"
Thought I would share a project where our new High-End 24 volt, .8watt BrightON II LED Modules were used.
As I've discussed before in the past. There is a difference and a gap between "Usable Light" and "Competitive Light". The BrightON II is the most efficient (Light per power) LED Module in it's class, and it is the definition of Competitive Light.
As explained here and suggested for spacing, it was chosen to use the 3" module spacer, and obviously you'll see as you scroll down the spacing could have even been much farther apart.
Using the 3" spacers or 5" on center module to module spacing of the .8 watt will give you that extra punch for Halo and Day / Night faces, and you're looking at only $2 a foot buying a single bag of modules. Important note is what you're getting for that $2 a foot. Very easily module to module spacing could have been 7" OC, and a $1.45 a foot.
The Grand Result?
No over exposure here to make the lighting more extreme than "IRL"...in real life. because I have another picture to share here of a neighboring sign that is made up of your standard front illuminated channel letters.
This is the very visual explanation of "Competitive Light".
The BrightON II Modules will give sign shops more versatility with their lighting projects, eliminating a 3 diode module & eliminating stocking more various modules with just simple spacing making the BrightON II a more universal product in your shop. The reason? Because the BrightON II meets or exceeds the Performance of most 3 diode LED Modules on the market on Maximum Efficiency of 24V. Also, the long module to module wire leads.
Could you just imagine for a second the BrightON II LED modules in the neighboring Coffee Sign at the maximum stretched module to module spacing of 7.625" or 1.57 ($1.33 a foot) modules per foot? I can!
Something is being left out here and I have to discuss what completes this High-End system?
That would be adding a France Lighting Solution LED Power supply of course
In this case the 24V France Atlas with built in LED indicator light for proper function, bringing more Quality & Dependability to the project.
The most important aspect of this job was the feedback from the client. They were VERY impressed with their sign when they drove by at night to see what their identity looked like. Their face will be your face. These are the types of results you will get with the BrightON II LED Modules.
Finished jobs will sell themselves. Happy, impressed clients will sell, and market for you...provided you not only sold them a good product but good service as well.
Come night, the mere visual can attract potential customers and a resume address can assure and close sales prospects, end results will be referral makers!
FRANCE LED POWER SUPPLIES
http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/store/category/22-led-power-supplies/
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By Erik Sine
Introducing our new Sign Syndicate BrightON II LED module. It's the newest all around LED Module for your Channel Letter, Sign Cabinet, and Linear Lighting needs.
BrightON, pronounced like the city
Just like our BrightON Sunfire LED Module, the II is just as unique.
The BrightON II rids the need for shops having to stock a 2 and 3 Diode Module for different size lettering. The BrightON II meets or exceeds the performance of most 3 Diode LED Modules on the market with our Maximum performance efficiency at 24V
The BrightON II LEDs are under driven for Improved Thermal Performance
Through all the various testing we have done here on the Sign Syndicate when it came to Neon or LED illuminated channel letter testing as well as feedback from customers who purchase our NC Reckless LED Line. When it comes to illuminating signs, there is a divide between, Very Bright / Competitive Lighting / Usable Light.
Competitive Light begins around the 170+ Foot Candles on a sign face surface, Brighter Light 190 FC+ and above. Anything under 150 Foot candles is just Usable, or Acceptable light.
To date, our BrightON II is the most efficient LED module in it's class in light output per power given.
Below are some our biggest competitors that we all see from cover to cover advertised in monthly paid brochure trade magazines. For our own purposes we've limited it to two, because.....they have been the most marketed and we can't help but turn a corner in this industry and there they are, an ad to tell us how great they are. Also listed, we have our NC Reckless LED Line.
The test channel are 4" x 2'. Same as our Great White Hope II Test. 4" tall because our industry standard has usually been, anything (stroke) beyond 4" will require another stroke of Neon, or LED Row.
The Hanley PE-4 is a 4 diode module with 3 mods, & the Hanley PE-2 is a 2 diode module with 4 mods in the channel
Principal Heavy Weight is 3 diodes per module, and 4 modules in the channel
NC Reckless-2 is a 2 diode module with 6 mods, and Reckless-3 is a 3 diode module with 4 mods in the channel
BrightON II is the same spacing and module count as the Hanley PE-2, or 2 diode mod, 4 mods in the channel
From the sign surface light output measured in Foot Candles, combined with the Foot Candles per watt, the BrightON II has exceeded our competition with like modules in it's class. Even some modules with higher output rating (1.32w, .92w) module and a higher mod count in the same measured channel.
In other words with the BrighON II, you're getting more light with less modules, more light at a lower project cost, and more light at a lower cost of operation.
That's efficiency in a lot more ways than one!!!
A single bag of BrightON II LED modules is composed of 80 modules.
Fully stretched Module to Module on a string gives you 7.625" on center, 5.5" of wire between module, that's 50.83 Linear feet of light, or 1.57 modules per foot.
We purposely gave the BrightON II just like the SunFire an extra wire length. The extra wire length was configured to give extra space for not only for changing your lighting needs, but also to save labor on single stroke LED layouts for going in and back out of letter layout for "Bars, Extensions, & Serifs" such as E's and F's among others without having to make a splice. The extra wire length will also allow you enough wire to jump and make a 5" row to row. One of the bigger feedback's we received was a lack of wire space. With our High Efficiency diodes combined with 175˙ Optics, our modules don't need to be spaced so close together for light uniformity.
All of our orders will be sent with three convenient module spacers for laying out your modules faster rather than by naked eye, or tape measuring out if you need.
SPACERS
The three spacers serve a purpose.
The 175˙ Deg Optics gives you a unique ability to spread the High-End Super Efficient Light of the BrightON II LED Module. Fully stretched you already have above competitive light as listed above in a 5" channel.
- Fully Stretched is 7.625" Module to Module OC, giving you slightly lower lighting levels than listed down below. This is for your typical everyday channel letters you can economize and still have above competitive light. (50.83 Liner feet of light, $1.33 a foot)
- The first spacer is 5" long for a 7" Module to Module OC, giving you 192 FC on a 5" deep sign face surface, this is for your typical everyday channel letters. (46.66 Linear feet of light, $1.45 a foot)
- The second spacer is 4" long for a 6" Module to Module OC, giving you 200 FC on a 5" deep sign face surface, this is for your competitive build channel letters that might require more light (Freeway Visible) and for Halo Lighting (40 Liner feet of light, $1.70 a foot)
- The third spacer is 3" long for a 5"Module to Module OC, giving you 235 FC on a 5" deep sign face surface, this is for your specialty channel letters that may have Day/Night faces that you want to look White White at Night, and NOT a murky dirty Gray, or again for Halo Lettering that need that PUNCH! (33.33 Linear feet of light, $2.04 a foot)
CONSTANT CURRENT
Beside the important aspect that the BrightON II LEDs are 24 volt modules, most importantly they are Constant Current....NOT Constant Voltage. What is that?
Constant Current Systems mean, every LED module is integrated with a Current Driver (Not just resistors) for protection keeping the current the same one each module from the first to the last module on a string. What does this do?
In short, Constant Voltage LED Systems have no regulation, only resistors for protection. On a Constant Current System the brightness of the first LED on a long string is just as bright as the last LED on the same string, unlike CV where the first LED will be brighter than the last. The first LED on a CV system is taking a bigger hit from the power supply than the last.
Protection from LED Power Supplies. Each LED PS has a different DC Output, it can range from 12v to 12.25v. Each additional traction of a volt can kill a CV LED system because it's NOT regulated and it's taking a bigger hit. As mentioned on the Sign Syndicate before in the past, while installing a set of CV Permlight LEDs for our Neon & LED Bench Mark Test (The Great White Hope) where all strings were set on a dedicated PS, it wasn't noticed that a manually adjustable LED Power Supply was previously set for 12.20 volts not 12.0 volts from previous benchmark testing, and within 30 days the LED string had degraded 30%. This is what a fraction of a volt can do to various LED product lines based on how they are developed
With CC LEDs, the output of the PS is regulated across the LED modules, more power won't hurt it.
When you hear such words affiliated to LED product lines such as "Eco, or value line" it means Constant Voltage
Constant Current LEDs have longer life spans because they are protected. We've always been very big here on the Sign Syndicate about Constant Current systems
24 VOLT SYSTEM
The Complete BrightON Line is 24v, NOT 12v, there is a clear advantage for this.
First and most importantly, this 24v system operation halves the amperage running through the Wiring and Modules reducing the heat, resistance, & improving reliability You'll also have more voltage headroom for longer runs.
With a 24v system you can load more on a power supply. With a 12v system you are limited to a 60W power supply channel with U.L. regulations, with a 24v you are forded 96W. That's a lot more modules per channel! Less cost, less labor, less moving parts so to speak.
24 VOLT POWER SUPPLIES
We recommend using our choice LED Power Supply for our system, and that is non other than France Lighting Solutions.
France isn't just some brand we so happen to stock. We went out of our way and asked them (truth be told....I got on my hands and knees and begged) if we could compliment our High-End BrightON Line with their High-End LED Power Supplies.
Here is the reason why for my pride swallowing experience.
With your typical LED Power Supply (Insert name here), you'll be loading (depending on brand) it to 80%-85% of your full 96W channel, or 77 watts to 81 watts of LEDs, leaving room for voltage loss etc to keep from stressing your power supply. With our Brighton II LEDs, that's 96 to 101 LED Modules.
We want to offer nothing but the best.
With France Lighting Solutions...and if you've been in this electric sign industry long enough to know when it comes to their Neon or LED Power Supplies, you're getting not only quality, but longevity, & dependability.
With the France Atlas & Eco Series that we stock to compliment our system, you are getting the only, ONLY "True Power" LED Power Supply in the industry
True Power means that you have the ability to load their power supplies to Full Load.
YES...Full Load
That's the way they were engineered, that's the way they are made, and that is what you're getting alongside our LEDs to give you a complete High-End System for all your Sign & Lighting Projects
The Atlas series even has a LED indicator light to tell if you're loading too many LEDs on the power supply.
With a France "True Power" LED Power Supply you can load 120 BrightON II LED modules, that's almost a 24 module difference over using another brand LED power supply. That 24 more additional modules can make the difference in NOT having to add another or multiple LED power supplies for a single sign or project. You will be saving cost and labor from having to add another or multiple LED power supplies for a Sign or Cabinet.
We will be stocking 24V France 96W, 60W, and 30W LED Power Supplies http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/store/category/22-led-power-supplies/
SPECIFICATIONS
- High-End 24V LED Module System
- .8 watts per module
- 155 lum/W Efficiency
- 175 Degree High Efficiency Uniformity Optics
- Constant Current, NOT Constant Voltage
- IP67
- 5 Year, 50,000 Hour Warranty
- 6500K Temperature Light
- UL/CE
- 80 Modules Per Bag (Fully Stretched 50.83', 1.57 Mods/Ft)
- Load 120 Modules on a single France 96W LED PS
For Place Orders by phone, by email, or for inquires we can be contacted at (858) 880-1400 - orders@thesignsyndicate.com or use our online shopping cart.
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By Erik Sine
Most Light Source Suppliers and Manufacturers won't show you examples let alone "numbers" of light readings on Sign Cabinet or Sign Projects from light source components they push like these I'm posting here, but....This is The Sign Syndicate!
"Seeing is believing" as they say.
So, one of the components I've been big on because of feedback and demand is a strong enough LED module that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, isn't proprietary where you need to buy their special clips, brackets, etc, and actually put out enough light without exaggerated "Usable Light" under too far spread spacing that's supposed to save you money that won't compete with other existing signs in the area of your project.
Biggest complaint from sign shops about cabinet LEDs....."I don't want to use a whole bunch of power supplies!"
You want your clients sign to stand out, NOT be lost or drown out by other neighboring signs also competing for attention and visibility.
Most importantly, the BrightON Sunfire LED keeps it simple by allowing custom sign shops not having to pay enormous amounts of money.
I've discussed our upcoming new High-End Sign Syndicate BrightON Sunfire LED for Cabinets, Slim Cabinets, and Large Channel Letters before. But I've never had an opportunity to back it up with facts by illustration until now.
Let's start with our long time industry standard light source components first.
HO Fluorescent Lamps
That is good ol HO T12 Fluorescent Lamps.
Unlike our industry suppliers and manufacturers I'm not going to bash the use of HO Lamps, they work good, and they do last a long time despite their marketing claims of failure just to sell another light source. There are some very well High-End made HO Lamps for our industry.
Back to the project.
Here we have your typical 4' x 4' x 12" double sided cabinet that we would either see on a pole or mounted on the ground.
3/16" 7328 Plexiglas MC acrylic face.
Using industry standard spacing of lamps at 12" spacing.
HO Lamps 6" in from the sides and 12" from lamp to lamp powered by a energy efficient electronic ballast pulling about 126 Watts
With four HO 4' lamps with 12" spacing, using a Light Meter to measure the sign face surface light we have a Foot Candle average of 156.5 FC (FC High 163, FC Low 150)
This is, and has been our industry average for sign surface lighting for DECADES.
Here is our High-End Sign Syndicate BrightON Sunfire (pronounced just like the city)
A 3 watt LED module with a 170˙ High Uniformity Optics with over 420 lm
Most importantly it's 24V system, and Constant Current.... NOT Constant Voltage.
This system has reduced amperage, heat, and resistance running across it compared to a 12V and it has more voltage head room for long runs. This calculates to longer life. On a 24V system this means loading more modules on a 96W power supply than a limited 60w power supply of a 12V system. Less moving parts on a project the better.
Below and as illustrated we spaced our modules the same as HO Fluorescent Lamps. 6" in, 12" from row to row and one Sunfire Module per foot, spaced 12" apart from one another
One thing I wanted on our Sunfire modules were longer wires between each module. You have enough wire (15") to jump from row to row without having to splice...less labor involved and it gives you more room to do what other tasks you may need to do with longer wiring.
Using modules like our BrightON Sunfire makes your projects at so much of a lesser cost. Instead of buying special proprietary clips, tracks and mounting brackets just purchase inexpensive alum 1/16" or 1/8" angles and channel for mounting. These typically can be bought in 8', 16', and 24' lengths.
The results.....Same Light Meter, measuring the same surface area on the sign face we get a 196.5 Foot Candle average (FC High 205, FC Low 188)
That's a 26% brighter sign face!!!
What makes the BrightON Sunfire even better?
Adding a True Power France Lighting Solution 24V LED Power Supply. True Power means having the ability to load 100% of a load on a power supply. As you know most power supplies are asked to load to 80%-85%. Not so with France, 100% if need be.
Most competing cabinet 12V/24V LED modules will run you anywhere from $7.00 to $15.00 per module.
The BrightON Sunfire will only run you $3.75 per module, giving you NOT "Usable Light" but "Real Competitive Light" as illustrated here.....26% brighter, over above our industry standard lighting of T12 HO Fluorescent Lamps!!
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Hello Kerry I remember you from 2004. I hope you are in good health and spirits.
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