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Erik Sine

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  1. It has to be called a claim because there is no way to verify something that hasn't even existed long enough to know. So here it is... Sloan is putting out their Prism Enlighten LED Module with a 9 year Warranty. Already they've received a few "Wows!" I mean, why wouldn't that statement, receive such a reaction from the public or end-users? It's like a statement that came straight out of 2005 from a manufacturer that said 100,000 hours guaranteed followed by all the "Oooooo and Awwww's" of a public who had no idea what they were in store for. The Sloan Specifiers and Marketeers who are said to be independent are already batting this out there Now, that's fine and dandy, and their probably correct. I've never heard of a 9 year claim until now. Doing a quick skim of the product page I see they only offer a 5 year warranty for labor, so....after 9 years what will a user get for replacement and what about the match of rendering and light output and how will that affect the sign itself? Will all parties be happy, especially the consumer? When a Marketeer for Sloan was asked on Social Media by us as well as an energy efficiency consultant, the questions went unanswered only more push of "Look at the amazing Light and Product" and oh, please attend one of their amazing power point presentations for answers to your questions. HUH?!?!? So the answers will only come to light behind a closed door controlled environment by the manufacturer, no answer out in public like the executed marketing statement . The questions were simple, and something all who sell products would be asked for. We asked, "does that include labor too? (Before out skim read). In almost 79,000 hours of operation what % of the original light output does the warranty cover? For example, will the cover anything that drops below 70%, 60%, etc etc. A lighting consultant asked, "Also, what time is covered by the warranty? 24 by 7, 12hrs/day, , 3 hrs/day, or?" A just question, for example is the 9 year claim specify a limited time of operation within a day....or is it 24/7 and almost 80,000 Hours? Now, I'm of the opinion this is all hype as the labor cut off is still a typical 5 year warranty, anything above that Sloan is taking a calculated gamble that the Sign Company who did the won't remember or push for the warranty after 7 or 8 tears, the consumer who signed the contract is still around and remembers they have a 9 year warranty, the business/consumer is still around and in business, and that the sign might even get revamped by them with something newer. That's my opinion. But that marketing claim (something executed but never fully explained) sounds good. It's...."Very Good Bullshit" Now don't get me wrong, their modules are Nichia (nice), their Contant Current (Nice), but their only .72 watts per module and you're going to need a lot of them just to compete with most light output of good quality Korean LED Manufacturers, or Neon, or HO Long Life Fluorescent lamps that companies like Voltarc Produce (50,000 hrs). You must also use their power supplies for this warranty, which makes no sense because their LED's are Constant Current. But, anything to stretch to purpose to buy more I guess. Bottom line, It's mediocre light output and low power for less heat, but it has a very good Marketing claim behind it that's not fully explained as to whether it's warrantied for almost 80,000 hours of operation at what cost of light output, or whether as the Lighting Consultant runs to all the time, is the 9 year only for say 3 hours or 8 hours a day which would put it as 9,855 to 26,280 hours of operation??? Because that is a HUGE difference maker. In our own testing of Project Tightey Whitey, good low power LED's usually last 70% at 18,000 hours and some even 24,000 hours. Those who aren't from this industry, or hip to what goes on which seems to be a big preaching point will read, go to their presentation and say "WOW!" Oh, the adoring public. The Trade magazines who get this big check for advertising will no doubt be orgasm'ing all over this product in future obligation piece write-ups are in the works if that has not already begun, because I don't read these brochure magazines much anymore, so I don't know if it's already been done The biggest part that disturbs me are these outside/independent "Specifiers and Marketeers" who are supposed to be independent and who push the end clients towards a particular manufacturer. Are they Independent? We saw this in the Genesee Beer Project (who was merketed to by an outside agency) that was complete Hogwash from the beginning and mass failure happened with that project before it even began http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/5364-signs-of-the-times-february-2012-issue/
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    Maybe The Wildest LED Claim Yet

    Oh Boy, now Principal LED is trying to compete with the outrageous marketing claim of 10 years with all of their products. What...now Labor costs in that 10 years??? Where's the confidence??? Is there confidence or only a marketing ploy? So how is this all going to match up 9 years later? Am I reading this right? if less than 15% of the diodes in a letter or cabinet fail or dim , it's not covered? Do their power supplies also cover a warranty for 10 years? If not, why not? Why not wrap this into one coverage? What about Lumen maintenance? If the Light Output dims above 15% of the original light output in under 10 years will it be covered? If so, their in trouble! I doubt they'll warranty that. 😂
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    We're Moving Out

    Not moving out of San Diego, just a couple of miles
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    We're Moving Out

    CALL 858-880-1400 or email orders@thesignsyndicate.com To Place Orders Well, it's one of those times where the lease ends and it's time to move to another location. So from now until the end of January on top of our Christmas Sale we're also having a Moving Sale, the least amount of items I need to move, the better on my back! Our Christmas Sale Advertisement Below, we have more to add NC LED SPECIAL PRICED ITEM NC Reckless-3 6500K IP68 .72w modules Constant Current 2 Mods/Foot 50 Module Tray $45.00 Each (20 in Stock) Buy 10 or more for Free Shipping NC Reckless-3 Blue IP68 .72w modules Constant Current 2 Mods/Foot 50 Module Tray $45.00 Each (16 in Stock) Buy 10 or more for Free Shipping All items below are priced based on in stock only. After these are gone, our regular pricing stands. PLASCO TRIM CAP 3/4" x 165' Rolls - $40.00 Each Green - 4 rolls Dark Blue - 5 Rolls Blue - 10 Rolls Bronze - 2 Rolls Yellow - 5 Rolls Duranotic Bronze - 8 Rolls Red - 7 Rolls 1" x 165' Rolls Black - 5 Rolls $50.00 Each White - 2 Rolls $50.00 Each Red - 3 Rolls $48.00 Each Blue - 5 Rolls $48.00 Each Gold - 5 Rolls $48.00 Each Bronze - 2 Rolls $48.00 Each TRANSCO 48' HO FLUORESCENT BALLASTS TRA 26 1048EP Up to six 8' Lamps 24 In Stock $50.00 Each TRANSCO PBG & PT TRANSFORMERS Transco T 612PT $65.00 Each (12 in stock) Transco T 512PT $55.00 Each (8 in stock) Transco T 312PT $55.00 Each (10 in stock) Transco 7512 PBG $65.00 Each (12 in stock) Transco 612 PBG $65.00 Each (8 in stock) Transco 512 PBG $55.00 Each (12 in stock) Transco 312 PBG $55.00 Each (8 in stock) Transco S 7512 PBG $65.00 Each (8 in stock) Transco S 512 PBG $55.00 Each (8 in stock) Transco S 312 PBG $55.00 Each (8 in stock) TRANSCO SILICONE BOOTS AND CAPS FOR GTO 7 SERIES (18AWG GTO) 15MM ECS 7-15 Black Boots (200 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 15MM ECDB 7-15 White Caps(200 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 13MM ECS 7-13 White Boots (500 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 8 SERIES (14 & 18 AWG) 15MM ECS 8-15 Black Boots (600 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 15MM ECS 8-15 White Boots (400 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 13MM ECDB 8-13 Black Caps (200 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 13MM ECS 8-13 Black Boots (1500 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 13MM ECDB 8-13 White Caps (100 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 13MM ECS 8-13 White Boots (400 in Stock) $45.00 Bag of 100 NOVAGLO LEAD-FREE ELECTRODES 13MM RATING 25-50MA LENGTH 65MM 13mm Tubeulated 1360 Electrodes $42.00 per Box of 100 13mm Non-Tubeulated 1360 Electrodes $42.00 per Box of 100 12mm RATING :25-50MA LENGTH 65MM 12mm Tubeulated 1260 Electrodes $42.00 per Box of 100 12mm Tubeulated 1260 Electrodes $42.00 per Box of 100 FLUORESCENT HO LAMP SOCKETS Tombstone Spring $1.25 Each (50+ Free Shipping) Tombstone Stationary $1.17 Each (50+ Free Shipping) Snap-In Socket Spring $1.09 Each (50+ Free Shipping) Snap-In Socket Stationary $1.03 Each (50+ Free Shipping)
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    Sign Syndicate Site Upgrade

    Won't get to me unless they export me from this world. Until then I'll just keep pulling the arrows out and sticking myself with a hot poker, lol
  6. My Apologies everyone, the site was down for a few days as we were repairing both a data base error and crashed tables. In the next few days some functions will be down as we start the slow process of upgrading each feature. Please reply here to this topic if you see anything non-functional Thanks
  7. CHRISTMAS YEAR END SALE From now until the end of the year we're having our Lowest Priced Sale EVER on all of our LED modules & Power Supplies. If you have never tried our NC Reckless LED Module Line, this is the perfect time....Not to mention our Wet Location LED Power Supplies as well. Unlike most of what you'll see o the market, our LEDs and Power Supplies are ALL IP68 NOT IP67, IP65 BUT IP68. Once you give us a chance and try our NC Reckless LED Line or Union Power Supplies, you won't go back to using the Chinese or Taiwan Products Most Importantly, about our NC and Union Electric Sign Products.......NOT made in CHINA!!! Buy 10 Trays of LEDs or more and it's FREE SHIPPING Buy 12 LED Power Supplies or more and it's FREE SHIPPING For inquiries, to place orders, you can call or email us at orders@thesignsyndicate.com | (858) 880 - 1400
  8. SHOPPING CART LINK DAILY DELIVERY FOR SAN DIEGO 3/4" ($46.75) & 1" ($54.75) + Shipping Colors are below * Black * White * Gold * Silver (Brushed Silver Appearance) * Bronze * Duranotic Bronze * Orange * Red ( 3M Poppy Red 3630-143 | Pantone 179 C ) * Blue ( 3M Intense Blue 3630-127 | Pantone 300 C ) * Dark Blue (Avery Dark Blue 8500-007) * Yellow ( 3M Sunflower 3630-25 | Pantone 124 C ) * Green ( Oracal Emerald Green 8800-087 | Pantone 348 C ) Some notes I'd like to add about this product. Some may have used this product in the past and some may have never had a chance. This product disappeared from suppliers right after 9/11 from what I understand there were Customs issues that made it too costly to bring in. IF you remember this product from long ago, you will be glad it's back (just like the reaction I've gotten to all who have purchased from me). IF you have never used it, your fabricators will love you for using it, it's MUCH MUCH easier to work with and notch, you won't get those splits you sometimes get on corners. My other understanding is that this product was mainly distributed on the west coast, so not many on the east coast have ever tried it. My advice is try it, believe me YOU will LOVE it! Before 9/11 I used PLASCO and the Silvatrim Trimcaps. I still have signs up 16+ years and this trim cap is still up, it's very durable. PLASCO Trim for Polycarbonate Channel Letter Faces Plasco is an excellent channel letter trim cap to be used to fabricated polycarbonate / Lexan channel letter faces. We also stock Channel Bond, the 1 part system which makes it easy for bonding Plasco Trim to Polycarbonate. You can also find Channel Bond here PLASCO VS JEWELITE In another thread I was asking why anyone east of Colorado "WHY" they mainly buy 1" Jewlite and not 3/4" Jewelite for 24" Channel Letters and smaller. The reason seems to be is that when you use 1" Jewelite with a standard 3/16" channel letter face the 1" Jewelite gives you more clearance because the arrow extrusion protrudes more than 1/4" from the face giving you less mechanical fastening room. Make sense but 1" is very tough to notch, bend and get in small letter centers too because of that arrow extrusion. I was always use to Plasco Trim Cap in my years of the sign industry, NOT Jewelite because on the West Coast Plasco was stocked more than Jewelite before 9/11. So after this "clearance" point was brought up I did some quick measuring because I had a east coast client buy Plasco 1" to match up with his regular use of 1" Jewelite. Then shortly after receiving his order with 3/4" samples he soon after starting ordering 3/4". I asked him why the change in smaller trim. He said the change was because the 3/4" Plasco trim gave him the same fastening clearance that he got buying 1" Jewelite. He went from paying about $70.00 per roll to $44.75 saving $32.15 (15' more added in), AND he got 15 more feet of trim per roll. I've attached some images to show you that you can use 3/4" Plasco Trim Cap that will give you the same clearance as 1" Jewelite IF clearance is important to you. Plasco vs. Jewelite - Here we display the channel letter baseline along with the clearance you get using 3/4" & 1" Plasco / Jewelite Trim Caps 1" Jewelite clearance 1" Plasco - More mechanical clearance than 1" Jewelite 3/4" Plasco - Just about the same mechanical clearance as using 1" Jewelite 3/4" Jewelite - Less mechanical clearance than 3/4" Plasco 1" Jewelite - Arrow extrusion protrusion more than 1/4" past the channel letter face. U.L. Sign Accessories Manual Info Plasco is a Elkamet product made in Germany and their U.L. file number is E10010 ELKAMET KUNSTSTOFFTECHNIK GMBH GEORG-KRAMER STRASSE 3 PO BOX 1263 35216 BIEDENKOPF FED REP GERMANY Aluminum reinforced sign face trim, Type Elkamet Profiles. E100102 1. These trim materials are used to secure a rigid thermoplastic sign face to an outdoor or indoor sign. 2. The ability of the trim to exclude water from contacting live parts needs to be evaluated in the end product. 3. Minimum No. 8 sheet metal screws need to be provided for securing the trim to the sign body. The maximum spacing between screws shall not exceed 18 in. and no fewer than four screws are to be used per face. 4. These products do not comply with enclosure requirements. 5. The sign trim face shall be "Continuous solvent or adhesive bonding" to secure the sign face and trim together in one of the following combinations: Sign Face (Generic Material) = Methyl Methacrylate (Acrylic) Solvent = MethyleneChloride Sign Trim (Generic Material) = Cellulose Acetate Butyrate You can contact me by email for orders / inquiries at orders@thesignsyndicate.com or (858) 880-1400 or purchase from out online Shopping Cart
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    Channel Letter Trim Cap - PLASCO

    Just to give an update. These rolls are now 151 feet in length. We now have an Orange, Dark Blue, and Duranotic Bronze, all intended to match vendor channel letter coils. Also, not the Vinyl Vendor color match numbers above in case you need to match to vinyl faces I edited the spec info in the original post above, but still need to update all the banners and ads
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    Plotter software for Mac computers

    Uh, Tinaers, isn't this your company?
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    Exaggerated LED Spacing

    Thought I'd pop this out early before we start doing our own Sign Syndicate LED Light Spacing Study that we will be posting here on the SS, which will probably start early next year and before the ISA Expo. Before we do so, thought I would ask how many may have been duped by a Manufacturer or Distr Rep that said you could light up a sign with amazing spacing well beyond anything you have ever used, all to find out once you did the spacing they specified and sold you on, you had to end up reconfiguring the sign and double to tripling what you originally used? So far in the last year or two I've heard the similar story from the project planners more than a few times. For example, a 1.2 watt 3-diode LED module 1.5 modules per foot that you can use a single row to light up 24" of can or channel at 8"+ Deep, or rows 18" apart for multiple rows. When it comes to 5" depth one row for a 16" can or cabinet or 8" spacing between multiple rows.? There seems to be this word being coined around by MFG or DIST reps, even Sign Specifier Consultants who claim to be independent and are supposed to be experts, but actually behind the scenes work for certain LED manufacturers...these are the secret reps who just work as consultants but do nothing more than market certain companies and collect a check, their NOT really consultants more than they are salesmen. The coined word is "usable light". What is usable light? When it comes to Sign component sales it means selling a product at max margin for minimum results. The minimum results means a configuring a sign face light to the stressed point of even light before you start to see the light source before spacing is too far apart to create hot spotting or shadows of inefficient light. Sign that are illuminated with usable light CANNOT compete in shopping centers where they compete with other signs for attention. But these usable light signs look awesome in a dark warehouse or Sign Convention floor. The other problem with usable is, after a couple thousand hours of operation and lumen maintenance takes place the original illumination is now lower, so now the LEDs stand out thru the face because of the shadowing or light loss between LED modules or rows. Now, that usable light has expired. Anyhow a hew illustrations below of pics posted in a MFGs webpage that do not display how their LEDs are marketed SIGN CABINET ACCORDING TO MAX SPEC I just simply put this cabinet to scale using the 2" Led Modules. The 9" Spacing in the middle shows you what any shop would use for spacing for a 12" deep cabinet. To the left I eliminated a row to show you what 18" on center between rows is, and where they claim it should be. 18" is typical for HO Fluorescent lamps which light output is well beyond LED modules, is 360˙ and will use the walls of the sign and face to bounce light all around for VERY even lighting. Just imagine to yourself visually eliminating all those rows using the second pic and think of the light there would be for that sign face. Is that how you would light the face for your customer? Where would that light be in say 2 years, 5 years? CHANNEL LETTERS Same question here. 4 Diode 1.8w LED Module same as above. MFG claims one row should light up 24", as you can tell they used multiple rows, as you should to light up an approx 16" Channel. Again, if you're going to claim amazing spacing, why not show it, why show near conventional spacing as illustrated above? Which all leads to my next question. When you're told you can get a bag of 50 modules for 32' of lighting for $$$$, or 100 modules that light up 64' are you actually get what your paying for? Or are you having to tighten the spacing? Most spacing numbers with all these new fancy cute LED "prism" Lenses that claim to be 170˙ or 180˙ which come with a cool chart and graph that most will scratch their head to but it does look scientific, don't seem to be adding up. Don't get me wrong the spacing can work with this "usable light" theory, but how many of us configure and build signs for "usable light". In most cases we build to compete, and of course last. I've been hearing too many stories of consumer complaints and shops having to go back out and redo the signs adding more LEDs. The MFG & DISTR model is gearing up to tell you can you can save money by buying their product because you get sooooo much more footage out of it. The problem lays in the fact that if you put them side by side with a near product that does their spacing differently ( much tighter) you'll see the tighter product is much brighter (duh) and of course over time, it won't hot spot and shaodw as fast because the spacing is MUCH tighter and it won't display as it would for further spaced products Knowing the light output of LEDs, that is now how I would specify or configure LED spacing of modules or rows of modules, they need to be MUCH tighter and smaller. That's just me, and my opinion based on most applications in our industry, and I do know not every signs needs to be blinding light, but consumers want visibility in most cases, where subtle takes a back seat....in most cases Anyhow, just my 2¢
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    Merger of Giants

    Congratulations to David & Corky at SignTech, California Neon Products or CNP who does the Jack in The Box signs just bunked in with SignTech. Big things just got BIGGER. I hear Dave's Neon Museum located in their new building is getting even larger. I need to stop by and take a peek.
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    Toggle Switches

    Any requirements for using toggle switches for T-Boxes or sign bodies change in the last few years? Thought I heard something about them or how they are being used was going to change, or not. Thanks
  14. Current Install /Vendor Map. Pretty Impressed! California wins with 14 markers. Big gaps of Sign Installers in North & South Dakota, Utah, New Mexico. But clearly the Eastern side of our country is more Dominant with Sign installers Looking for someone here to do a Sign Installation or Maintenance? The installer map can be found here http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/membermap/
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    No BS Sign Retrofitting

    So... I haven't posted any jobs lately and I need to play catch up. So I'll start with our latest projects and work myself backwards As we've discussed so many times on the Sign Syndicate. There is a time to retrofit, and a time not too. Neon and Fluorescent lamps/systems should not in most cases be retrofitted to LEDs unless accessibility calls for it. Otherwise, it doesn't make financial sense for the consumer to do so, or....just so a shop can make a project sale on BS energy efficiency numbers and mythical saving $$$$ So here are some retrofit jobs that make REAL sense. NEON RETROFIT Here's a chain of Studio's that I've been doing since the early 2000's. This particular sign is only partially mine, everything from the Logo and red letters. This was the first job I did for them leading up to fabricating all new signs for their locations. The white is from the previous location and Neon has been in it's original form since the late 90's, and it's 6500K Snow White. The logo is 15mm Tri-phosphor, Elite 65D I believe. The Logo and Red was done in 2008. It's very hard to tell because red and white is hard to capture and a cell phone cam does no justice but the White lettering is dimmer than illustrated and is about 50% of it's original light output. Not bad for 20+ plus year old lamps!! So the owner called up and wanted a revamp. Had I been the average shop you bet the immediate response would have been LED! SAVINGS!!!!! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! Well, no. We're logical over here in SoCal, a land where 50¢ modules would have replaced the Lamp Art. The logical choice, and more economical choice for the consumer? Going from a single halo phosphate 6500K Snow White Neon lamp to a Tri-Phosphor EGL Designer 7100 Series Lamps. When we moved and installed (2008) this sign we did so with Tecnolux Silicone GTO and Caps. All that was needed for this retrofit was new lamps, and leaving the awesome silicone GTO and transformers in place! Now, I owe you a night shot, the iphone pic I took was garbage, so I'll update that soon. But the Logo and White letters match up well, and even with the old faces, the sign illuminates like a new sign at night. Forgot to mention, the white faces are also from the 90's and they've held up quite well, the Trim Cap is Plasco, also held up quite well for 20+ years old. During the day, the ace look good, so no need to replace. LED RETROFIT So a new client... They called, they were moving and wanted to know if they needed a new sign or whether to fabricate a whole new on because the current was lit up like crap. Had hot spots, dim a places, and just crazy outages in sections of letters. It would have been better had I taken night pics, BUT...I didn't know I would be posting and writing about it here so Had this been some other shop, I'm sure the nightmare would have continued Yes, two different LED manufacturers in the same sign Woohoo, the electric sign industry in it's finest form right here! It made me SO proud! If you're familiar with Gaverieli Plastics, I need say no more, let alone Chinese JS LED's....well, their both China and their both crap. They don't last, they fail, they cause companies problems with having to go back and replace and most importantly...They cost the consumer, YOUR client. The second sign which they had, made at a different time and by another company was US LED, also garbage. Illumination was just as bad. Sorry, didn't get pics of that sign because again, it wasn't my plan to make a post here If this wonderful, thoughtful sign package doesn't make you cry, I don't know what will. The original plastic was green vinyl over white acrylic and in such a short time this sign was beat, and probably why they called a new contractor for the work for their sign move. Well, a new sign made no sense. They were just moving a few suites over and they weren't going to get a larger sign so the original would do. New faces with 3M Lime Green over White acrylic. The most important aspect of this Sign.... Yes! NC Reckless-3 LEDs. Top Tier Samsung Diodes running on a Constant Current system...NOT Constant Voltage. 1.2 watt modules. Most important detail about our NC Reckless LEDs? Their made in Korea NOT CHINA!!! Beautiful! Check out that crazy light meter reading! That's almost 300 surface Foot Candles, which is about the equivalent light output to a 13mm Tri-phosphor white Neon Lamp behind white acrylic. If that is not simply utterly gross and disgusting, and you're not just sickened by that number, you have no stomach These Reckless-3 LEDs will NOT be powered up by their low budget power supplies but rather our Union LED Power Supplies made in KOREA, not CHINA!!! It's usually best to retrofit out with what was already in a sign, and not change one light source to another. It's makes more financial sense in MOST cases, not all, but most.
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    No BS Sign Retrofitting

    Right??? That's how old the Neon is too! At 50% but still lit! I'm going to assume the same thinking that makes the decision in their head to buy 50¢ modules to $ave! $ave money for them...NOT their customer, who was told their sign would last 100,000 Hours with their LED choice
  17. With the Economic War between the US and China rages on, we're starting to hear about manufacturers in China already sending out notices to American Sign Suppliers/MFGs that rises in product costs are here....and coming. For the longest time China has had the Monopoly in manufacturing because of unfair trade practices, currency manipulation, very low almost slave-like wages for their people where a lot of employee safety at times is called into question. There isn't exactly a OSHA or Labor Board in China, nor do their factories abide by the same the same environmental regulation & safety standards that American companies have had to abide, pay, and follow by on the world stage, China was always given a free pass and has always been viewed as a under developed country that should receive a handicap.....and we have to ask why? Yes Erik we know this......So what does this have to do with LEDs? If Chinese components weren't already unreliable, and low quality as it is, just think of how their going to be now as this trade war rages on. If China is already having to raise their prices, what do you think will happen to the quality compared to now if their going to have to cut cost just to keep up in sales? Most American sign component manufacturers who have exported their jobs to China have always had nightmare issues with these plants doing almost anything to save a penny. Remember all those failure batch issues in the past???? Now it will get even worse. China is losing the trade war. It's been entertaining to see all these US Sign LED manufacturers who's products are being produced in China, and some who buy just components and then claim the.... "Assembled in America" to offer 7....8..... and now 10 year warranties for their products. Forget what's to come tomorrow with costs that will be driving quality downward, could those warranties even be trusted from products being sold today? Seriously, we're no dummies, and neither are the consumers. If Nearly 85% of the companies who's products were in our Sign Syndicate Light Test Comparisons could barely make 15,000 hours of operation without a large portion degrading in light output, how can they make 7 years, or even 10? Any logical person knows it's always just been a marketing PR stunt.......and I suppose maybe some .33 watt constant current LEDs could make that, but who uses low wattage LEDs for electric advertising? You can use those but you'll need a crap load just to get near equal light of the high powered stuff but that's VERY un-cost effective. Some shops won't care, they'll just throw their arms in the air and say "that's the sign industry...the consumer will eat it". That's fine if you want to live for today, and die tomorrow with a list of angry customers and Yelp reviews. But....if you sell quality and stake your reputation on what you produce and put put, you should care, and you should be worried. It won't get any better anytime soon with Chinese products. The more the playing field gets leveled between the our Grand Country and China, Chinese products will not be able to stay as low as they have been, or.....at least not the types of products you would want them to be at or expect them to be at. Chinese manufacturers will shave what they can, when they can, and cut the quality at will just to make that extra penny, their known for that! You can be sure of something that won't change when it comes to LED components for the American Sign Industry, and that is when it comes to any components NOT made in China. The world still spins on that access and it's been unaffected on that front Why buy/support products from a Dictatorship that suppresses it's people, manipulates free trade, and interferes/obstructs with the US, in government affairs or by hacking? China is NOT our friend, and their not exactly our enemy. I know sometimes we have no choice, but when you don't have to...don't! That is why if you're going to buy overseas components, buy from our friends and allies first. Countries who have our backs, and we have theirs, and who's people we have fought side by side, and scarified with. Especially from countries who have the highest in quality control standards. This is just one of the reasons why we have been proud, and excited to work with, partner with NC LED from Korea. The quality has not changed, the products are getting better, they have high work ethic standards as well as high product standards and their quality control is equal to that of Japan. They are the complete opposite in every facet of CHINA. Our NC LED products do NOT change year after year like just about every LED manufacturer, going from version 2 to version 10. When something works we stick with it and we're BIG on that! With uncertainty from China in the air when it comes to LED Lighting products and Power Supplies Our prices for high quality products have always been VERY competitive, and lower compared to most lower quality products in a lot of cases. The goal post will not change, the high standards bar will never be lowered. Give us a try on your next job, you'll have consistency, dependability and you'll be much happier that you did!
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    Wouldn't you know it...

    Wow How do you know he got fired?
  19. So.... I'm sure not many American Sign Companies and Vendors will benefit in anyway (and probably could care less), in fact the Brits will probably benefit more as far as user ship goes but.. Yeah..... Apparently ISA and the BSGA have created a partnership, ISA is good for creating something from nothing, that ends up as nothing, nothing as far as benefits for the end user but a return for the association itself. So, this is most likely another cycle, another idea conjured beacause their background is not of our industry but birthed from others. If ISA was filled with actual sign industry people and not Lori Andersons, this probably wouldn't have even been a thing. But here's the curious part that we, here at the SS have ourselves were kicking around. At least the BSGA, British Sign & Graphics Association takes "Pride" in their country to integrate such a name and their flag in their association logo, and I'm sure their more "Pro-UK" than ISA is Pro-American. Now, I don't know much about the BSGA, except for a few members here that are over there across the big pond, but just off appearance I'm sure they do great for their country men and women, well........ I know they do because I've read some of the "goings ons" over the years, nothing current but still, I'm sure it hasn't changed much. I've always wanted to visit their show, because I've always wanted to visit the UK So what have we always gotten with ISA? Well the theme is "International" We get the Association that cares more about overseas monies than building incentive for our own countries manufacturers, or taking up our homegrown manufacturer concerns. No integration of our country's great flag that has been sacrificed for, or good 'ol Red, White, and Blue in our supposed industry "Leadership Association" logo run by non-industry people of course. I mean, if someone had to ask what the colors of ISA is right now....as we stroll through a show, I would think it was Red with a gold star. So now let all the marketing programs commence to our manufacturers to sell them on overseas and partnership programs that DON'T really equal ours or make sense. Somehow there will be a equation chart for "Channel Letters" to "3D Built Up Letters" (<---------- Haha, I made a international funny....funny only if you follow things "international") Guess for now the closest way ISA can get to "Red, White, & Blue" integrated into their logo is by Union Jack, NOT by old Glory.....money must be calling... Maybe the USSC, United States Sign Council can benefit from this, their the only independent Association and their Pro American Themed. Oh....wait.... I forgot, they dropped the Red, White, and Blue too.... Oh and, I don't even think their called the USSC anymore. Yes I remember now....they decided to chase the coat tails and live in the shadow of ISA and their the...Sign World, or Sign Expo, something like that....maybe it's ISA "Jr", or step-child. Still.... .....ISA-UK will allow ISA and BSGA to work together on issues common across the sign, graphics and visual communications industry, including codes and regulations, research, workforce education and events......This is an exciting move for ISA and for BSGA," said Lori Anderson, ISA president and CEO. "The business world is no longer contained by borders and this partnership offers tremendous opportunities for the growth of our industry. Together, we are stronger." This Makes me shutter, not that ISA will ever have much bearing on ever bringing actual change (Thank God) to US regulation and policy, well they sort of, as it pertains to failures, and being on the wrong side of issues for the electric sign industry. I'm sure ISA-Euro is next but... I just hate to read all the upcoming bullshit articles about all their ideas, and supposed ongoing (Salesman face) success with their new venture in all the brochure rags to come. Look for Euro type regulations and ideas. Look for Euro like Environmentalism topics and issues. Regulation & Environmental Tyranny has all but killed our US manufacturing and jobs in the past. All these imported ideas to "Improve" and make American Sign Companies and Manufacturers "better" by making us more.....Euro like. Oh boy, just when I made a self commitment to never dig into ISA again because I was sooooo tired of it. I was actually going to try real hard to find something to cheer for about them, seriously I was.... Until I read about this.
  20. Erik Sine

    Toggle Switches

    I thought I heard about changes. I guess no one knows of those changes? I suppose I'll have to do my own research, I figured maybe some knew on the top of their head.
  21. Erik Sine

    International Sign Assocation - UK

    No real equivalents here. ISA is built like a wheel. You have your outer layer which is filled with the same ol individuals that ARE in the sign industry that regurgitate from one association to another and back again. Sort of like musical chairs. They have the same old ideas, like to feel important, and have ego's bigger than most. Lot's or relationship building, relationships that come before the industry itself, lot's of fake awards to the undeserving. Then you have the inner part of the wheel located at the center, or hub....that's the part actually attached to the vehicle. They are the ones that actually pull a paycheck. They manipulate the outer wheel and pull the puppet strings more or less to get what they want. Whatever the outer wheel wants, or may want that actually understands the industry that the association is for, most likely won't get. The hub uses the outer layer to just like what the wheel is for, traction and get all the wear for the purposes of the hub to continue to spin. Most of the good outer layer leaves, and only the old will stay for whatever reason, I'll say it's ego. But their are some good ones, don't get me wrong and I give them all credit for staying. What we need here in the US is an American Sign Association, built by those in the industry, not by those who came from the plastics industry one day, the truck lift gate the next, then to the Sign Industry for a time, then cycle again to the Pool & Spa. I'm sure after all those industry associations they know how to run one, BUT, they don't know the industry they represent, they only know and bring a business model, the model does NOT serve those in the industry. You can't genuinely care about something if you aren't truly in it, your heat has to be in it. I was part of the USSC. I was reluctant to join when asked, but a few said I should, go for an "experience" he said. I can only say I tried, many of the same ol regurgitants didn't like my being there because I was real upfront (they already knew who I was and what I was for) so many were used to because I was expected to continue with the same ol program, just vote on what the ego wanted to get across. I was going in to turn the ship around and put the electric sign industry forward, something that was lacking here in the states. After a short time it didn't seem possible. We were all there to just put on a sign show, make money first rather than put an Association first and build a reason why people should join and continue to build content....which was my priority. Real change would not be possible without cleaning house and purging those who have been there for so long in aiding the associations failure. I was on my way out when a new president was about to be elected in, someone who was new and wanted to clean the association up. I thought, wow a real chance. He came in, he asked me to stay and and help him run it. But, I noticed he was still surrounding himself with the same old people that couldn't make it work all those years. In short, it failed to launch, or make any real change. I wasn't allowed to do what I was supposed to do, the old regurgitants tied my hands at a time when the motor was about to spark. So, seeing I would only waste my time being there as I had no desire to only build a convention show first, make others an income over a actual association, I walked away. I'm not built like they are. I can't look people straight in the eye and convince them to join my association that has no real benefit to them for joining, no real learning experience, useless wasted money on studies no one can use, and the only priority is to come see their annual party which is just a keg buried in the middle of no where with nothing to see or do, just grab a red cup and drink...no girls...no DJ....no show... What a shame with USSC, they had a real chance but they just lacked "courage" to do what's right for the electric sign industry, and I called them out on it....and was physically threatened for it, LoL ....Truly, what a laughable threat too As it's been said before I even joined, years ago here by another grand member who truly know what he was talking about, and what makes associations fail is just that......"Ego" I can never say never. Maybe one day....one day if all the conditions were right I would give one the thought of my valuable import time a second chance
  22. Old as hell, those dog years kicked in! Thanks Gary. Patriots won on my Birthday, I can't complain
  23. Erik Sine

    Neon Transformer Recommendations

    Look for a Neon Pro or Franceformer, or Ventex model. Most likely a electronic, plug in, pull chain model that will auto load 1kv - 10kv (10kv model) Ebay or amazon
  24. Erik Sine

    Anyone Write Blogs About Sign

    Hi Michelle and welcome The reasons for investing in a pylon sign are too easy, and it's all about visibility for your tenants and investing in your tenants so their noticed. Especially for centers that are not so easily seen from the public right of way. That can be for a ground or pole sign. I think a even better article that could help in educating property managers is having some knowledge in...is whether or not they should be investing and paying a large upfront cost in "retrofitting" their existing signage when marketed too by a lot of these so called "independent firms or consultants....who aren't actually interdependent at all, their actually salesmen or reps of light source manufactures. They will walk into your office as if they are the "wizards of smart" and can come in with a impressive power point presentation. They may even have a lot of articles from our sad trade magazines, whom aren't actually trade magazines at all, their actually just brochure magazines who are more set on selling one page ads than actually representing the truth for the electric sign industry. Property managers and developers are fed a lot of marketing claims such as "savings"...."efficient"....."Return on investment". I'm talking about Retrofitting from conventional light sources such as Fluorescent or Neon Lamps to LED There is a lot of mis-information by these reps and sign companies who are looking to make profit on parts and labor of LEDs for something that makes no sense in most cases. There is very little difference in power consumption between the three when it comes to equal light output, and very little difference in cost of operation. IN fact in most cases, the ROI on retrofitting is and can be 20 to 40 years, and in that time consumers will be re-retrofitting many times over and that savings never comes. So consumers who have no background or experience in light sources, or their cost of operation are being mislead into thinking Fluorescent and Neon Lamps are inefficient, dangerous and have poor light output, when actually the opposite is true. But, you won't find any of this out from a light source rep who was a lift-gate salesman one day and a LED rep the next who has never even held, tested or evaluated a Neon or Fluorescent lamp. We have done a lot of testing here on the Sign Syndicate in lumen maintenance, cost of operation, and I probably would only trust about 10% of LED products out there on life, and that doesn't even scratch the surface of apples to apples light output. When you hear or are being told statements such as "80% in savings and efficiency".....nothing is further from the truth because a rep is comparing a penlight to a mag-light and telling you the penlight is saving 80% in efficiency. The truth is.....you can only claim one product is more efficient than the other when both have equal light output BUT..... one is doing it at a lower cost of operation. ONLY then can you claim one is actually more "energy efficient" Sadly, there are a lot of sign producers who are lazy and or have very little knowledge of fabrication in integrating Fluorescent & Neon Lamps for illuminating signs OR, they prefer to have a lower cost/wage in employees that don't have the skill set in a wide variety of applications so they only produce with a "LED everything" attitude. Which is great for them in a business sense.... ....but terrible for the consumer who can be left with a end-product that has cheap imported Chinese LEDs or product that has the environment that is too harsh for LEDs There is something that consumers are NOT aware of. Every light source has their strengths and weaknesses, and not one light source is a fit for all applications
  25. Erik Sine

    The White Horse NC LED

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