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I took on this job recently because I wanted to purposely show what and how you can use the electric sign components that we stock here on The Sign Syndicate http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/store/category/3-sign-supplies/ as well as a few other vendors that are Vendors/friends of the SS

I got this job from an architect that has worked on similar projects that I have over the last few years. He likes my work and he passed my name to a client of his that needed some sign work done. As most of you know I don't really do signs any more, I'm not in the Yellow Pages, I don't advertise and I do select jobs from time to time but only for past clients or word of mouth where their mainly non-bid. Now I'm mainly a Distributor now but I do like to dip in from time to time as Electric Signs are my passion and I will always want to keep my self updated and informed about codes, new products etc. This is knowledge & information I can also pass onto my clients, theirs nothing worse than a rep who doesn't understand what it is YOU do, what they sell, or understand your need.

So let's start from the beginning.



Here's the old sign and the beginning of the renovations for the venture
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I usually use GE Lexan from my normal supplier for the reverse channel backs but now they stock some Polycarb from Shefield. I'm just routing all the backs and 1/2" acrylic push thru's on my 4'x8' ShopBot CNC Table using my favorite Belin Bits.
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Now usually I make all my PolyCarb rear tabs or brackets out of the aluminum scrap and simply brake them into angles. But I wanted to try out Transco To Go's Channel Bond since it's made for bonding PolyCarb to Poly Carb. I could have saves time and used a heat rod and made 90's with these but I like to try new things. So I started off making some polycarb angles with some cutouts done on the router table

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One light application from a #48 applicator and clamp for an hour, I imagine I could have left on for less time but I have a lot of clamps and not a whole lot of letters

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Light bond to the letter backs
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Now Channel Bond is amazing, this stuff is strong! Try and break it! You'll probably hurt yourself trying. Notice the one metal brackets, that's for letter pan bond and part of the bonding system that is grounded back at the tranny box or raceway. You have to have at least one of those.
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My 1/2" acrylic push thru's with 3M white trans film.

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More Channel Bond for bonding the 1/2" acrylic letters to my rear cab diffuser acrylic. I cut my lettering in the aluminum .03 larger than the acrylic letter, this provides a good snug fit with very little spacing between the letter and metal.
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Done, Channel Bond cures pretty fast.
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My color of halo lighting to be used for the letters is orange.

So for that we used Voltarc's Lead free 12mm Green pumped red neon gas to give it that orange color. For the Cabinet illumination we used EGL's ol Faithful Designer 13mm CL65 Tri-Phosphor glass. We also used the Transco To Go's Novaglo Lead Free Electrodes.
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This install day sucked, it was 85F with 84% humidity and all I did was sweat with clothes sticking to me the whole day.

Here's my dad who enjoys helping me from time to time pounding all the drill point prior to busting out the hammerdrill. This is my favorite pattern paper by Westrim it comes in a 48" roll and has a 1" grid throughout. The patterns had to go up very fast before they started to wrinkle, can you tell from the pic?
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Work in progress
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Working on the rear parapet wall raceway. This sign is powered by two new, older generation Transco Transformer which was not a lot of fun to find some old stock of, but it was possible with a few calls and two France transformers as well.

I like to use the manly 12kV & 15kV transformers, not the guurly 9's and smaller. I have CL signs that have been up 16-18 years and have yet to get a service call, load em up right, install them right, and you won't have any problems. Simple as that!

The GTO for the system is Transco To Go's 14AWG .375" silicone GTO-15 cable. This is the first time I've ever used a thick 14AWG GTO cable, it's STILL very flexible!
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The Transco To Go 20amp Disconnect Switch rated for outdoor. Of course the double nutted system ground (on the bottom), and service ground (top) or the transformers.
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Transco To Go's Silicone "Easy Caps" with the silicone GTO. Behind in the rear you'll see my bond that is attached to the metal bracket to also in the rear electrobit grounding ring that bonds the flex to the system ground on the raceway. Speaking of Electrobit grounding rings, good luck trying to find these anymore, I had to use a few grounding rings made by another company whom I don't even know the name of of their thinner and not so bulky or as wide. But i think I like electrobits ring screw better. Wish I would have taken a pic of the ring in question but I don;t think I have one to snap a shot of. Anyone know who makes these? I don't even know how I got mine.
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El Fin! I love Matthes (PPG) Paint finish, it looks so nice.
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I'll have to go by at a later date to take a night shot. The clients were very happy with their sign.


Anyway, I thought taking this job would give me a great opportunity to post later and show you all how and what you can use on your electric sign jobs, bring about new ideas with what we stock here on The Sign Syndicate.com located here. http://www.thesignsy...-sign-supplies/

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Erik;

A shameless advertising ploy by you......................... Just kidding.

Nice looking work, which I have come to expect. I assume this must be somewhere near downtown San Diego? Post the address and I will take a look as usual when I am down your way. Keep up the quality sign installs, it does us all proud.

Dominic

"Don't be afraid to see what you see" - President Ronald Reagan

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I know, and shame is something I know nothing about :whistling:

Thank you and will do!

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Great looking signs Erik.

Quality craftsmanship , built to last ......what a concept. :thumbs:

They will definitely be bright eye catchers at night.

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Thanks all, finally got those night shots but they didn't turn out as good as I hoped for. It was a humid moist night and I don't know if it was a combination of that mixed in with the bright glow of the white but the pics just didn't turn out as what I'd hoped for.

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You sure like your channel bond! I fabricated a similar type sign. Instead of the tabs, I cut strips of polycarb and bent them at a 90 deg in the brake making poly carbonate "angle". For the curved letters I ran it through the notcher! I used a similar product to channel bond and chemically welded the angle all the way around. Made for some beefy letters. :crazy: . The job was on a high rise and we installed them from a window washer scaffolding. They still look good 15 years later.

Nice work and congrats on your new business venture.

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      * Red ( 3M Poppy Red 3630-143 | Pantone 179 C )
      * Blue ( 3M Intense Blue 3630-127 | Pantone 300 C )
      * Dark Blue (Avery Dark Blue 8500-007)
      * Yellow ( 3M Sunflower 3630-25 | Pantone 124 C )
      * Green ( Oracal Emerald Green 8800-087 | Pantone 348 C )
       
       
      Some notes I'd like to add about this product.

      Some may have used this product in the past and some may have never had a chance. This product disappeared from suppliers right after 9/11 from what I understand there were Customs issues that made it too costly to bring in.

      IF you remember this product from long ago, you will be glad it's back (just like the reaction I've gotten to all who have purchased from me).

      IF you have never used it, your fabricators will love you for using it, it's MUCH MUCH easier to work with and notch, you won't get those splits you sometimes get on corners.
      My other understanding is that this product was mainly distributed on the west coast, so not many on the east coast have ever tried it. My advice is try it, believe me YOU will LOVE it!

      Before 9/11 I used PLASCO and the Silvatrim Trimcaps. I still have signs up 16+ years and this trim cap is still up, it's very durable.
       
       
       
      PLASCO Trim for Polycarbonate Channel Letter Faces
      Plasco is an excellent channel letter trim cap to be used to fabricated polycarbonate / Lexan channel letter faces. We also stock Channel Bond, the 1 part system which makes it easy for bonding Plasco Trim to Polycarbonate. You can also find Channel Bond here
       
      PLASCO VS JEWELITE
      In another thread I was asking why anyone east of Colorado "WHY" they mainly buy 1" Jewlite and not 3/4" Jewelite for 24" Channel Letters and smaller.
       
      The reason seems to be is that when you use 1" Jewelite with a standard 3/16" channel letter face the 1" Jewelite gives you more clearance because the arrow extrusion protrudes more than 1/4" from the face giving you less mechanical fastening room. Make sense but 1" is very tough to notch, bend and get in small letter centers too because of that arrow extrusion.
       
      I was always use to Plasco Trim Cap in my years of the sign industry, NOT Jewelite because on the West Coast Plasco was stocked more than Jewelite before 9/11. So after this "clearance" point was brought up I did some quick measuring because I had a east coast client buy Plasco 1" to match up with his regular use of 1" Jewelite. Then shortly after receiving his order with 3/4" samples he soon after starting ordering 3/4". I asked him why the change in smaller trim. He said the change was because the 3/4" Plasco trim gave him the same fastening clearance that he got buying 1" Jewelite. He went from paying about $70.00 per roll to $44.75 saving $32.15
       
      I've attached some images to show you that you can use 3/4" Plasco Trim Cap that will give you the same clearance as 1" Jewelite IF clearance is important to you.
       
      Plasco vs. Jewelite - Here we display the channel letter baseline along with the clearance you get using 3/4" & 1" Plasco / Jewelite Trim Caps

       
      1" Jewelite clearance

       
      1" Plasco - More mechanical clearance than 1" Jewelite

       
      3/4" Plasco - Just about the same mechanical clearance as using 1" Jewelite

       
      3/4" Jewelite - Less mechanical clearance than 3/4" Plasco

       
      1" Jewelite - Arrow extrusion protrusion more than 1/4" past the channel letter face.

       
      http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/miscstuff/adverts/examples/Plasco Trim Cap.JPG
       
      U.L. Sign Accessories Manual Info
      Plasco is a Elkamet product made in Germany and their U.L. file number is E10010

      ELKAMET KUNSTSTOFFTECHNIK GMBH GEORG-KRAMER STRASSE 3
      PO BOX 1263
      35216 BIEDENKOPF FED REP GERMANY Aluminum reinforced sign face trim, Type Elkamet Profiles.
      E100102
      1. These trim materials are used to secure a rigid thermoplastic sign face to an outdoor or indoor sign.
      2. The ability of the trim to exclude water from contacting live parts needs to be evaluated in the end product.
      3. Minimum No. 8 sheet metal screws need to be provided for securing the trim to the sign body. The maximum spacing
      between screws shall not exceed 18 in. and no fewer than four screws are to be used per face.
      4. These products do not comply with enclosure requirements.
      5. The sign trim face shall be "Continuous solvent or adhesive bonding" to secure the sign face and trim together in one of the
      following combinations:

      Sign Face (Generic Material) = Methyl Methacrylate (Acrylic)
      Solvent = MethyleneChloride
      Sign Trim (Generic Material) = Cellulose Acetate Butyrate




       
      You can contact me by email for orders / inquiries at
      orders@thesignsyndicate.com or (858) 880-1400 or purchase from out online Shopping Cart
    • By Erik Sine
      We have always been proud supporters of our Electric Sign Trade and have always been proactive in doing what it takes to help preserve our Trade and it's most valued tradition....that being Neon.  
       
      Despite the misinformation that has been put out about Neon for decades now, Neon is very much a light/energy efficient light source and the most durable light source we have in our trade over time and we have plenty of case history to support this. 
       
       
      WATCH OUT
      As most of you may or may not know, there has been a huge shortage of the availability of Glass Neon Housings for Neon....and what has been available has been a lot of Chinese Fake UL Marked (Embossed on the glass) Neon Housings in the market for some time.  
       
      They Claim a UL mark, BUT...they aren't a U.L. Recongnized accessory or sign component     .i.e. SSI / "Neo" Glass Housings have no valid listing with fake embossed UL Emblem
       
      The biggest complaint for some time has been the threads are terrible and it made tightening at times near to impossible.  The other bad aspect was that the glass walls were too thin, and with just a little bit of heat they were cracking or a incidental drop bump might cause them to crack and break prematurely, some simply cracked on tightening mechanically to a sign body .
       
       
      Also, it's bad news if you're a Wholesale Shop or Custom Sign Shop integrating these knock-offs into your signs.  It's passing along a fake listed product and should something happen like a "fire" I can't imagine Insurance Companies will be too happy about the use of a "knock-off"  
       
      I've done my best in the past to look for and supply vintage housings that were listed for the Neon Arts and help with keeping that art going with Porcelain or older glass housings which we still do have plenty of (#100's & #300's).  But now we have those hard to get components to keep those awesome Neon Open Faced Channel Letters and Wall Signs going without running into shortages of components or options.
       
      NOW IN STOCK - Westrim U.L. Recognized Sign Accessories #100, #200, #200P, #300 Neon Glass Housings
       
      You can Purchase these from our store or contact us to place an order or inquiry (858) 880-1400  |  orders@thesignsyndicate.com
       
       

       
      NOW IN STOCK - Westrim U.L. Listed #100, #200, #200P, #300 Neon Glass Housings
       
      You can Purchase these from our store or contact us to place an order or inquiry (858) 880-1400  |  orders@thesignsyndicate.com
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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