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That is very sad. How much are they paying for the JT's

Thursday and Friday were good on traffic but Saturday was a dive. The most interesting conversation I had was with a gentelman who Loves LED because he didnt have to hire anyone with any skill or talents. He did say that with a smile. Got a chance to talk with Marko for a few minuites, Wanted to go out but had some customers to attend to for drinks. Spent some time at the Neon Group booth, Heard many stories of how customers are now seeing major failures and the realization of the false statistics they have been fed on power consumption and overall cost savings. Had a good time but it is nothing like Vegas for the after hour fun. Met Fire dawg (I didnt delete you) He did comment on my bending which is nice to hear from another bender. Probably spoke with a few more from the site but having ADD and a few other letters it is hard to remember what I am doing tomorrow. Showed 3 new colors we have. CL Blue, Green and Turquoise. full triphosphors and look real nice. Got a few pics of the booth. Depending on how they came out I will post them. There was a ton of digital there and the large sign shops only brought a few people unlike the posse that used to follow the owners. All in all it was very nice to put faces with names.

I have heard from overseas customers that they pulled from the sign market al together. Maybe Eurocom could expand on this. They used to sell thier product or maybe still do along with thier Korean LED's

Said it before, sayn it again---- Erik for President

Hello all, been out of the loop for a while but back now. You have a very good topic but I think it may go a little deeper than that. If a manufacturer sells a product that they nowingly are infringing on a patent, I dont think the end user is liable. What is of more concern is breaking spec with inferior products or its on the shelf mentality or even its cheaper and I dont care how long it lasts. What do you think the ramafications should be if a sign shop is doing a national account , reffered project or even an art piece that a manufacturer worked on the specification for months maybe even a year and then the product salesman visits and the specifications are broken. be it power supply, fixtures brand of lamps ect. I think that is a bigger issue than patent infringment. Honestly when I have confronted customers about this the reaction I get is "oh well, you caught me" or "I didnt want to by more because I had this already" or even a better one was " this is so much cheaper and this is the oly way I was able to get the job" These comments are from large well known reputable shops. I personally think copy right infringement is the last thing on thier mind unless they are phisically doing the infringement and marketing the product as thier own private label.

Happy birthday Marko. Go out get tippsy and have a good time.

And the fun will begin. Congrats to the both of you. Since she is the founder did she make you sign a prenup? Just kiddin. Best of luck to the both of you. Wish I could go but I may have to shovel snow this weekend. Make sure you toast the sun god, original maker of all light. PS- free hits of neon gas for everone, hold your breath it works better. HEHE

Congats to both of you. May you holiday be very special and relaxing the hard parts over. Now back to work K girl your vacations over :)

Neon (Greek νέον (neon) meaning "new one") was discovered in 1898 by the British chemists Sir William Ramsay (1852–1916) and Morris W. Travers (1872–1961) in London.[6] Neon was discovered when Ramsay chilled a sample of the atmosphere until it became a liquid, then warmed the liquid and captured the gases as they boiled off. The three gases that boiled off were krypton, xenon, and neon.[7] From Wilkapedia. Note: sample of atmosphere AKA Air you breath. I sure hope your customer is not buying that guys LED's. You may want to give him a dust mask for Xmas to filter out the neon when he takes a breath. Another fine example of the sign industry and how they are so knowledgeable and gullable. Hey I have some potting soil here in NJ that he can buy. Guaranteed to make giant veggies that glow in the dark. You can event tell him that the water he drinks and cooks with and bathes in is flush to fill in 3 days. He can save time and piss in the wind while BBQn', Now thats being efficient and recyleing at the same time. HEHE

Take the ignitor off the side burner on your grill or get one at Lowes. You may have to extend the end to go up around the front of the ribbon. Use the push button that comes with it. You can clamp it (suspend it) underneath the burner in the front. That part doesnt get to hot.

just need a squirrel cage blower, gas solinoid and a igniter from a BBQ. Just make sure the blower is large enough or you can put it inline with the air you have now.

Never grow up, only grow old.

I dont either. If you wait for customers to come into a store then yes. It;'s like anything else. go out and get it because people are lazy and the less they have to do the better no matter what the quality is. To me it sounds like tired of one trinket and moving to another.

I would like to see the figures and layout for lumen per watt on this BS claim.

I posted a while ago about a conversation with a UL rep about a situation in NJ where a complete hack did a mall. when the town was approached the town only told my friend that he was jealous he did not get a job. Ul rep said that they can not do anything until something happens (a fire) then they can can jump in. PS - there was LED just as bad as neon and flourescent signs. so no one is favored) I asked then why should my friend pay 3K a year for a listing. the response was to be legal. I hear a catch 22, only when you get caught. If a UL rep would like, along with anyone else. I can personally take them there as long as the un approved signs are shut off immidately on site and repaired by who ever they want. Work like that is bad for the whole industry and the safety of the public.

Put a damn forsale sticker on the sign for a million dollars and when the town tells you to take it down sue them for loss of buisness. Merchandise in a window on display is a phisical sign with no writing on it. According to this law you are legally not allowed to have any window displays as well. Hang the sign 12" in from the glass, then it is part of the interior, to bad it is faceing the wrong way. I had a problem like this a long time ago in a town in NY that didnt like illuminated signage. Found out that a town officials brother was a sign painter and couldnt do electric signs Just venting. :[

Sad to say but even listing at all, been out of commission for a while, did I miss anything?

One down, 49 to go.

will they have to replace all the existing signs in the field before they recall them? I bet budwieser and the other vendors arent to happy.

I agree ...but on the other hand you would have to have skill to make the "old" style sign with the swoosh and know how to install something like that. the new style is basic and less material waste. They have been repainting all the Hampton inns with the new color scheme. So each Hilton is allowed to choose thier own light source and vendor, or is thier concern for the turtles?

Aloha Steve. I have bought his base stands for years now and can highly recommend WCCD. Excellent selection, quality and good prices. I usually use the base stands for presents and donations to police raffles.

Thank you all, Had a good day and got my worm wet. I think the owners of grey goose and the olive companies should get together. The vodka runs out before the olives, it should be like 20 matches in a pack and 20 smokes in a pack. Years go by and I never seem to get older or grow up, cant figure which. I wont be up at Consac this year Marko, My son has a Cub Scout event on Saturday. Family first, Work second. Back to the grind.

Other than the CCFL have you tried 990V 25mm cold cathode lighting.