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ensco

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  1. Whoa!!! Let's put the pitch forks and fire torches down. Again I fully respect the opinions and anger of having our emails sold to the highest bidder. I don't like it at all. I was just trying to focus on the facts. Which even though "Brian" so cleverly debates by just saying "you're wrong" I do have some very deep insight (nearly 28 yrs) into the ISA organization. I just wanted to point out that no one should get a warm fuzzy feeling because one individual from ISA (who is not involved in the convention planning aspect) comes on here and apologizes for the actions of others. That simple. I stated the facts as I clearly understand them. That for ISA it is just business, smarmy business, but legal business just the same and they are doing what every other quote successful organization is doing(anything to survive). Those aplogetic comments about ISA's actions are the equivilent to the manager at Wal-Mart saying "I'm sorry I will ensure that our Chinese factories do a better job with this product. Although maybe sincere, the thoughts are really hollow unless someone actually responsible for selling out those lists comes forward. I would start at the top if you were really serious about getting to the bottom of it. Yet "Brain decides to come on and rather then engage in an adult conversation, he chooses to just dismiss me as saying "Sorry you're wrong" as if my statements were those of an idiot. Yes my "Nazi" comment might have been a little over the top. I apologize. But my family came to this country with a German surname to escape both political and religious persecution at the hands of the Nazis. Many more then just Jewish individuals were targeted. Those experiences and skew ones thoughts when they feel personally attacked for educated opinions. To chummygumby and your IM message. Yes I have only made 2 previous posts. In fact I do not have the time to set around and respond daily. But I after seeing an interesting subject that seemed to be going in a good direction, I actually did sign up and comment. That is supposed to be the American way. Every vote counts. Agree or disagree. Years ago I asked a "computer expert" friend of mine what he thought about the future of the the World Wide Web when companies like compuserve, and AOL were just getting started. He said it'll wind up just like CB radio. A great idea that will get over run by constant chatter, lewd propositions, and people that will always try to dominate others with their opinions. So far he hasn't been too far off. My negative comparisons from earliar aside, I was just trying to point out in my second post that without open communication(freedom of speech). We become no better then those of whom we detest. Again I apologize. And as far as Harry Potter giving guidance. I stuck to Star Wars with my kids. better message, and lasers are cool!!!!!! Again just opinion. Eric
  2. Hey it's your original post. You are free to see it how you want. I respect that completely. But in reality that's what freedom is all about. The last I knew thats what a forum is suppose to be about. I generally stay off these. It seems that every BB ever created for the sign industry ends up being controled by like minded individuals not open to differences. If everyone agrees then nobody learns a new perspective. That's what got the Nazi's in trouble and every other dictatorial, or "supremacy of idea" societies since then.
  3. Isn't this all a little disingenous. Come on we all are out there looking for every avenue to promote our business. We know we can go too far, but most of us take risks to get to a potential customer. If were good we also try to upsell our customers to the latest greatest new electric or LED message center. Which in reality the local zoning boards consider just a bigger type of "spam". But we know our customers will reach even more of their customer base with that new equipment. When they do they are happy and keep coming back to us. I appreciate the ISA reps comments but as she said she does not work in convention planning. In fact those that do work in ISA convention planning probably could not tell you the difference between a sandblast sign and a neon sign. Their not in the sign business. ISA makes a large bulk of their funding through their yearly convention. How many emails did you get for 2 months before the show urging you to be there. Why, because this year ISA was desperate. The downturn in the economy scared them to death. By the time this years show is taking place they are selling booth space for next years show. With a bad economy they were scared that many would not attend. They make promises to the vendors who lay down thousands of dollars for a 10x10 booth, plus display costs, shipping, addons to the convention center for electric hookups, etc. hotels, meals, wining and dining. ISA will tell them "hey we had 20,000 attendees last year. Next year will be better". If it's not they will have a hard time getting little Shangzou LED LTD to drop 20k to get his equipment and people over here for the next years show. Especially and believe it or not he has other options for shows then ISA. Whatever vendor it is will want the most advertising exposure for his dollar. And that means as with every convention out there a demand for the attendee list. Scanning your badge just means you showed a little more interest then the next guy, but just by the fact you attended the show and walked the aisles makes you more interested then joe blow on the street. The vendor has a right to feel entitled to that information. And ISA convention planners are going to keep the vendors happy. Fewer vendor booths means fewer attendees next year(No one likes a dead show). Fewer attendees means fewer booths. It's a "vicious" business cycle(add over the top scottish accent here). ISA and the vendor is willing to risk irritating 100 or so sign shops with spam for 2 or 3 sales. Doesn't sound like much but for 15k to 20k attendees the sales add up and the exposure makes them ligitimate companies if only in their minds. Do the math. Figure average $2000.00 per booth set up(it's probably more) times 400 or so vendors. Add the number of attendees times the entry fee, plus siminar fees, and you get up there in the millions real fast. It's not chump change. But it is business. Hey I get queezy seeing my name and address plastered in the white pages. I have a choice, go unlisted. But I would never give up my business listings no matter what strange calls I sometimes get. It's worth it for the few good customers that come my way. Everytime you type in Google, Yahoo, ebay, etc. they can tell you the last 5 or so web addresses you've been to. What your interests are, and what you might be shopping for. It is definitly Big Brother watching. They have become the biggest companies around because power comes through information. He who controls the information wins. That is just business. We may not like it, but in reality we do the same thing with our customers everyday. Have you never had one customer come in and you recommend he see ole so and so down the road that just opened up and might need his services. Yea thats the same thing. That pat on the back you hope will come back good to you. ISA is just doing it on a bigger level. Myself I just hit delete. It's no different then skipping the ads in the the newspaper, or turning down the volume during commercials. No I am not going to admit to buying Enzyte when their commercials interrupt the game. But someone must be. Otherwise they would not keep showing them. Eric
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