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So sad -------------. Some wonder why us old farts muse over what used to be, how it used to be, and what it used to mean. Its not like wanting to live in the past - its more like wanting to save some of the past for the future. So sad-------------. Nice try Eric.

But I'm curious now, how come you did not respond much of what you wrote here, there? ?? You know the answer to that one. I was a member of that list for a long time ----------- many, many really good people were active particiapants on that list ---- same time that INA started, or was trying to start. Just about all of those people have quit responding to most stuff ----------- just isn't worth the time anymore. John Anderson, bless his heart, is one of the few that still tries to respond -- and he's another of the those good neon people. Take that back, great neon people. gn

Eric--nice comments here, and also on the Neon-l forum. Kinda like the Big Ben bell ringing, and there's no one to hear the sound -----------------. We've touched on this subject before, and its a great conversation for personal conversation, and not by email or phone. But, the gist is that the sign trade has ALWAYS been that way - slow to change, slow to learn, slow to adapt, and even slower to give a shit about anything more than the next guy that comes in that wants to buy a sign. The sign shops -------- like yourself in the way you do business ---------neon is realistically, nothing more than a means to light up a letter. Like you said, and the logic of most businesses is that if neon is booted, for whatever of the various reasons that are thrown out there, life goes on, and we'll find another light source. Sign shops, neon shop benders --------- that's a different story. They care----but they don't give a shit if it means they have to put some effort ------- it's the old ----------let someone else do it theory. It's NOT really a case of whether they show up in Calif or not --------- it's a case of whether they get off their asses and be proactive about the issues, rather than just bitch when the subject comes up. Many of the same folks,having the same issues were at the ISA show in Florida ------------ there were MAYBE 30 people in the room for the recycling seminar. No wonder that ISA, nor the trade takes it seriously. It's not just about mercury -----its the sales, the installation, the repair, the permits, everything about the industry is ignored, and just bitched about. But, hey, this is old stuff. The battle is the same, the bitches and problems are different, the attitudes of the people involved are the same, same-o, same-o. gn - one of the OLD generation sign people that you commented on in the Neon-l forum !!!

Quite honestly ------- that would help. And speaking of which ------------- its been a long time since you got your camera out ------------we've had nothing of interest to discuss. gn

I'm sorry ----- didn't understand you. How do you feel about this situation??? gn

Go to either signweb, or signindustry web site. Under equpt for sale, in the Chicago area a couple weeks ago, new accubend machine for sale---not just the notcher---the whole bending machine. gn

Who's trying to kid whom?? You just want to go PARTY !!!!! gn

Hey, didn't you notice my "Always with a smile ----------------"????????? She volunteers you for a "favor", you, in return, get to volunteer Kgirl for a "favor". What in the world did you think the "smile" was for -------moving stuff??? uh, uh. And its a good thing it was posted here -------- that's called committment and fair play. gn

Always with a smile ---------------- gn

Anyone know anything about this product or company????? Location, etc. Looks like fiber optics using LED for a light source. Any help would be appreciated -----thanks. gn FiberLite42.pdf

Well, hopefully, people recognized my comments as being tongue in cheek------------as in humor??? gn

Ah man, does that mean it's only LED talk??????????? Propaganda?????????? Lies??????????? Untruths??????????B.s.????????????? OR -------- can we talk aabout good, pure, clean, long lasting, highly efficient NEON !!!!!!!!!!!! gn

Right--------thsoe are fun. See who has athe most burn marks on the forearms, etc. Get to see the wizards of the trade perform their stuff. Oftentimes get to see new stuff up close and personal -------- Yesco did it a couple times. What fun!! gn

Great idea ---- Tomorrow morning here in Elk Grove Village, Illinois, bout 11:00AM. Or we could do next week in Duisberg, Germany. Or Canada at YYZ's place. Or Australia. Seriously -----------that would be tough to do. That's why the ISA shows are somewhat good for that ------------ till you can't find that short guy YYZ wandering amongst the displays ------------. Now, you guys in Calif could all get together for a abeer with WCSG and his love Kgirl. gn

More than fifty employees???? Impressive. gn

Yeah---that's the theory where we keep our wives in line -------------- gn

Now, what if we want more footage out of that tranny? Well now we can increase the diameter of the glass to 18mm and get 20 feet more from the 60 feet, but we loose some brightness. Slight correction----------if we increase the diam of glass we do NOT lose brightness. For one, brightness is not a measurable term. IF we speak of lumens of light ------------we get MORE from the largeer diameter glass. It APPEARS the smaller diam is brighter because of less surface area, appears to be a brighter lightsource --- but readings will tell you differently. gn

NOW back to the thread at hand! And the thread was --------- 102 views, 14 reponses by 4 people. Moving right along. gn

Boy, do I know those. Little hatch in the bottom, crawl up inside in 115 degree weather to work in that oven. Took bunches of them down when they changed their styles -----------and most, by that time, had power lines running right beside them. gn

What he said was "Maybe my contribution will help you get your much needed dedicated server " -------------sos I took it literally that if his donation was big enough it be a reality, he'd be a contributor, etc------------- gn

I don't dispute evolution. I don't even dispute that led's might eventually rule. Eventually. I absolutely don't dispute that their needs to be recycling for lamps of ANY kind. What I do dispute is the laws being passed with no evident solution, and with no concerted effort to make the law feasible - but with every effort to virtually ban a product because of false information. My mention of merc nazis--------on other posts the reference is there, and it sounded good. Better than merc phobiaists. gn

See, that's the point. Sure, Eric gets alot of good info on this site, and I'm sure that Eric appreciates your offer to "buy" him a new server. BUT--- You also stated you're learning alot --------------and going to do nothing with the "new" information you have except offer your services to share a beer???? Not what the industry needs. What the industry needs is for you to care enough about the industry to share that information. NOT just ---"hey, lookie what I just read and learned about". No, its a case of taking an interest in the info and the trade. What is to keep you from calling around to find out about recycling issues in YOUR area --------------- and then going to your bosses with FACTS and INFORMATION relative to what your company does, and be able to explain to them what THEY need to do and WHY they need to do it. I'll explain. You work for a small company with a boss. I work for probably the largest sign mfg with lots of bosses, lots of VP's, lots of layers between us janitors and the decision makers. And on the food chain, as I refer to it, I'm almost at the bottom. I was given the assignment, being the low guy, to research IMERC -----------and if you don't know what it is, I'd suggest googling it because it would take to loong to explain. 10 minutes was what I given to sum it up. I took 1.5 hours -----------. I then did it three more times for different factions of our company, the last time for nothing but vp's. Bsed on my findings, and my research ---------and my gray hair-------they actually believed me. It wasn't about getting rid of neon, it was about our industry. It wasn't about the $25,000 fine per letter thrown away in the garbage, and the months in jail ---------this was our industry tht is being affected. It was a case of what do we need to do. It was a case of prying for more info. You CAN do the same thing. You only have one guy to convince. You only have one area that you work in doing signs --------- try a global approach. Try having a letter repaired, or a set of letters removed that YOU are responsible for - and the job is 3,000 miles away. Figure out those logistics. You just had a sign show in Calif. Did you go?? No. You're probably going to be having one in the northwest. Are you going? does your company belong to the CSA? Call them ----------ask them these questions about recycling? Ask them the questions about t-8's and t-12's. Ask them about the ban on magnetic ballasts and the call for electronics?? good thing/bad thing???? And then prove to your bosses why electronics can save their company money, and save electricity for their customers. YOu want to show your bosss your more than a rookie --------teach them some stuff. Prove to them why electronic transformers can save them money ----------. You've got the people on this site that you can contact. Just don't read this stuff ---------------and ask for another beer and forget to do anyting with this information. ANd Eric ------ note that he DID offer to provide a dedicated server. gn

I liked your analogy of Disneyland - so very true and apropo. Kinda funny, I noticed that 63 people have viewed this thread -----------and except for you and I ------nada in response. But someone make a post about doing it cheaper with LED's and everyones all over it. Do a post about free designing of signs, and everyones all over it. Post a "pic" and everyones drooling all over it. I appreciate your efforts ---------even if the time you spend typing could have been better spent with K-girl, and your kids. I truly wish you'd have been at the ISA show --------------just to rant a bit. Vendors were commenting about the merc seminar. They were asking questions of the recycling guys when they walked around -----------and POINTEDLY asking questions about what was/is/maybe/should be/possibly going to be done. LED folks asked me why I brought up the issue of arsenic and cadmium in leds ----------like it just might burst another bubble. Why issues with led production and environment were brought up in the same context as merc pollution. And yes, some asked why I even bothered. So, lets stop this bull shit, let's get back to the pics, the choice of trim cap, colors you can achieve with led's using lumahaze letters, and how to destroy the effect of halo lighting by using other lights to light up the sign.

I laughed at your comment about just doing topics that concern trimcapping, comedy forum, etc, or helping to design signs thru a pick and choose of suggestions articles. I laughed ----------- because you are, oh so, right. The truth being that most don't really care. If neon is banned -- okay, we'll use something else. If T-8's are the legal thing--okay. If a new law is passed, okay. Its been that way for 40 years. Don't get me talking about pharmaceuticals ---------if any of you are on a cholesterol med --- feel free to contact you. I can discourse that almost better than mercury. On the merc forum --------first off, why bother?? Secondly, who cares? Kinda like your first post --- and look at all the responses you got. Thirdly---need a bit more time. Fourthly -- don't want to hijack this post. And, finally, fifthly---there has been absolutely no modernization of the picture forum lately-------and that really has nothing to do with it, just thought I'd throw that in. gn