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  1. Erik Sine

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    After some testimony on this subject the panel voted to stick with Neon after all, a VERY wise decision. Good for Lenny to step in. It's too bad they thought they were limited in vendors to choose from to come in and complete the job and restore the Neon. They just need to pick someone who continues to manufacture Neon projects, theirs plenty of them out there and supplies aren't that hard to find especially for this one. Glass, glass housings, GTO & Transformers aren't that hard to find....maybe not looking hard enough or just looking for an easy way out. Just hope who ever does the work re-engineers the tranny runs and does it right. Loews would replace neon PSFS sign with LED letters http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20150527_Loews_would_replace_neon_PSFS_sign_with_LED_letters.html The Loews hotel chain has tinkered for 15 years to keep the neon PSFS sign aglow on Philadelphia's skyline, but officials said Tuesday they believe the time has come to do away with the old and bring in the new. Arguing that the 83-year-old sign has become too costly and burdensome to maintain Loews representatives asked the Philadelphia Historical Commission for permission to replace the neon tubes and transformers of the signature red sign with LED lights. The commission's architecture committee voted unanimously against the idea. The 27-foot-tall sign, atop the skyline since its installation in 1932 by the Philadelphia Savings Fund Society, they argued, is a historic artifact that can, and should, be fixed. "The standards are very clear that it's better to repair than replace," said committee member Suzanne Pentz, referring to preservation rules in place. "The neon is its own artifact," said preservation planner Randal Baron. The PSFS matter came during the fifth hour of a busy meeting during which the committee also voted against a high-profile plan for Center City's nearly demolished 1920s-era Boyd movie palace. That proposal, by Jim Pearlstein's Pearl Properties, seeks to build an apartment tower and street-level stores where the Boyd formerly occupied a large section of Chestnut Street between 19th and 20th Streets. The committee expressed a number of concerns, ranging from what materials might be used on new facades, to whether to install a glass enclosure leading into an arcade entryway beneath the theater's original marquee. Both proposals were scheduled to come before the full commission for a vote June 12th. But where the Boyd for years has been a lightning rod of debate and scuttled redevelopment plans as preservationists squared off with developers, the PSFS sign proposal shed light on the fragile goodwill that has kept the unmistakable and enduring landmark visible on the city's skyline. Before Loews moved into the dormant PSFS building in 1999, the sign had been dark for a decade, noted consultant Cindy Hamilton, representing the hotel. Loews has no obligation to retain the sign, let alone keep it lit, despite its prominence and the company's decision to include it prominently on the hotel's Philadelphia website. And yet, the company stitched together a fix here and there for years, until deciding it did not want to spend a hefty sum to rebuild it entirely as a high-wattage neon structure. Now, amid increasingly scarce suppliers of neon, the hotelier said it was eager for an alternative to keep the sign lit. Officials said it would be cheaper and easier to maintain the PSFS sign if it were replaced by a system of lower-wattage LED lights, as was done years ago on Boathouse Row. The popularity of LED has become so great it has contributed to the dearth of once-prevalent neon, said Danny Smith, the hotel's director of engineering. Where there used to be many suppliers, there now is only one for the PSFS moniker, said Patrick Hoban, of Philadelphia Sign Co., whose employees scale and sometimes dangle from the letters to conduct tricky maintenance work. "It's getting harder to get neon components," Hoban said. "It takes me weeks to get the neon to come in," Smith added. Len Davidson, who refurbishes neon signs, did not buy the scarcity argument. Neon for his projects, he said, has been readily available. "This sign is a great example of demolition by neglect," Davidson said. "The sign has been compromised terribly."
  2. OWNING THE NIGHT WITH THE AXIOM SYSTEM First I think it should be known that the Axiom LED's are more geared for the advanced level sign fabricators & planners There are some bright LED systems out there. Some Claim to be Champs, some claim to be Street Fighters. For those of you who are regulars of The Sign Syndicate, you know Axiom LED is a familiar name. You know of Axiom from discussions here, as well as the testing results that we have performed since 2008 in The Great White Hope. Axiom LED is a wrecker, a Street...Bar Room Brawler. As some of you know, not too many LEDs impress me. If you're a Neon guy, trust me....Axiom LEDs are your WORST nightmare come to life when it comes to standard channel letter illumination. I say this because the Axiom AXLE9XB's are a small compact version of a 13mm Tri-Phosphor Lamp operating on a 60ma transformer. So, which leads me to the content of this thread. A referral came up and I had two choices, Neon (White 12mm/13mm Tri-Phosphor Lamps) or LED (Axiom AXLE9XB). I thought long and hard, and this became a good opportunity since I don't do many projects these days...to show off what the Axiom LED system does, and is capable of doing. Laying out the LED, single strip of Axiom's AXLE9XB Modules in a 4.5" width letter stroke. What makes Axiom's AXLE9XB LEDs unique is, they operate at 12 volts as a .5 watt LED which are under driven. Or you can run them at optimum and where they want to be at 14.7 volts and unleash the Beast of Nichia within and transform them into a 1.6 watt LED. Nichia has the BEST phosphors! Here, I left one portion at 12 volts as a 1/2 LED to the right. This is where your normal JT, JS LEDs are normally in brightness. To the left we manually drove up the Axiom AXLE-PS6012 power supplies to 14.7 volts. I just did this for illustration. The Axiom LEDs are just two modules per foot, or $4.00 a foot for a super ultra high powered, high brightness LED that you won't find in equal, let alone be in the same ballpark when it comes to cost. It would be having to take other LED modules out of manufacturer spec of 2 or 3 per foot to 7 or 8 per foot to try and find the same light output, which would drive your cost from $3.15 per foot to $8.40 per foot using a .5 watt or .72 watt module of competing manufacturers. But, you can do it all for the cost of $4.00 a foot with Axiom LEDs AXLE9XB Modules Early production shot. The channel letter faces are all fabricated with Plasco Trim Cap of course!!! Install Day!! Here's a shot of the military grade 60 watt Axiom AXLE-PS6012 LED power supplies. The operating LED light as well as diagnostic light, right next to it is the set screw fro adjusting them from 10.5 volts to 15 volts. As you can see, these are very small metal power supplies that fit perfectly into sign bodies Check it out, it's noon and the LEDs are so bright you can see them fighting the day light! Okay the final shot I was getting anywhere from 385 to 415 foot candles on the sign face surface with out light meter that we use for the Sign Syndicate Light Testing Projects. The pictures at night do it no justice, all I can say is your mouth would drop if you were to see in person. If you work with Neon or familiar with it, just imagine a 13mm Tri-Phosphor Lamp operating at 60ma illuminating white faces. That's what Axiom does, and they do it well! Like I said, there are pretenders, there are wannabe's, and then there is the few 5% who are the real deal in the electric sign industry. Axiom's are bright, a nice consistent color rendering, and MOST importantly, are proven to last years well beyond all others. In closing......The no fancy packaging Axiom LED System in order to keep costs low, is for the experienced electric sign project manager and fabricator ONLY that understands the importance of planning, value, lighting, and desire of integrating an element into their projects that lasts over time and whom doesn't get sucked into the everyday hype of marketing terms and claims made by other manufacturers who have a inferior product who try and make up for it by stressing the importance of cute packaging in the form of lens's & module casings That's what you get with Axiom AXLE9XB LEDs, a quality, high powered godly product with diodes from the world renowned Nichia of Japan, a bare bones package that is proven not only against light degradation (lumen maintenance) but against the elements (IP67) all made and produced right here in the good ol USA The Simple Project Recipe: Plexiglas MC #7328 White Axiom AXLE-PS6012 LED Power Supplies Axiom AXLE9XB 6500 LEDs Plasco Trim Cap 3M Yellow Translucent Series Westrim Toggle Disconnect Switch No Sweat, No Tears, Some Blood.
  3. The Sign Syndicate is now stocking and distributing the high brightness American Made Axiom AXLE9-XB LED modules at $2.00 per module or $4.00 per foot with Nichia of Japan diodes along with their military grade power supplies that we have been selling for some time now. For those that don't know or are new to the site, The Sign Syndicate has been running the only public Neon & LED comparison tests since 2008 starting with The Great White Hope. We've been testing just about every Neon & LED Lamp that's out on the market throughout our various tests. The Axiom LED was just about the winner when it came to the high powered LEDs, they were side by side with the GE Tetra PowerMax. What put Axiom at the the top was price, it was about 1/5th the price and ended up being slightly brighter by a few foot candles after 36,000 hours (12 sign years at 8 hrs a day) of operation and they were just a shy in brightness to that of the Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. That was the class of 2008..... Now.....we have the Great White Hope II which started at the beginning of this year, and Axiom just got better being added in this month September 2014. We now have a light source that is just a hair under the brightness of a 13mm EGL DL65 Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamp running at 60ma.....That's Sickly bright!!! GWH II Test Comparison - Axiom AXLE9-XB (channel located on top) The Axiom AXLE9-XB is a very good alternative/option to Tri-Phosphor Neon & Fluorescent lamps for large channel letters and sign cabinets. The wow factor to the Axiom LED module is that you get a two for one LED module with the Axiom AXLE9-XB LED. I demonstrated it in a video below. You can use the module with or in a 12 volt system/power supply under driving it and use it as a .5 watt module, and you just about have the brightest module in Project Tighty Whitey, and the highest Foot Candle per Watt. Or... You can use run it on a 14.7 volt system and really using it as intended and where it's driving the Nichia of Japan LEDs at optimum with the Axiom PS6012 Power Supplies which are manually adjustable from 10.5 volts to 15 volts and now use it as a 1.6 High Brightness LED as used in the Great White Hope II. Axiom PS6012 60Watt Power Supply The AXIOM LED AXLE9-XB Specs Nichia of Japan LEDs For Maximum Lifetime LM80 Tested 250-260 Lumens Per Module, 500 Lumens Per Foot UL Recognized For Wet Locations & Listed in the UL SAM Up To 60˚C Ambient Operating Temperature Just as Bright As A 13mm 60ma Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamp Under Driven on a 12v System, Optimum & Made For a 15v System Measures at 1.325" Long x .75" Wide, 1/8" High AXIOM LED AXLE9-XB Demonstration Video You can order the Axiom AXLE9-XB Modules and Axiom PS6012 straight from our online shopping cart here. You can contact us by phone with any inquiries or questions and also to place orders (858) 880-1400 or by email orders@thesignsyndicate.com
  4. Here's a video we did on an easy/simple way of explaining the Axiom AXLE9-XB High Bightness LEDs that are made in the US with Nichia of Japan Diodes & Phosphors and how you can use one LED line for three applications, small channel letters, large channel letters & sign cabinet lighting also how they compare to similar class LEDs.
  5. AXIOM LED & The Sign Syndicate THE GAME CHANGING HIGH BRIGHTNESS WHITE LED So I all owed you another major announcement and here it is if you can't already tell from the topic title. Yep...The Sign Syndicate is now stocking and distributing the high brightness American Made Axiom AXLE9-XB LED modules at $2.00 per module or $4.00 per foot with Nichia of Japan diodes along with their military grade power supplies that we have been selling for some time now. For those that don't know or are new to the site, The Sign Syndicate has been running the only public Neon & LED comparison tests since 2008 starting with The Great White Hope. We've been testing just about every Neon & LED Lamp that's out on the market throughout our various tests. The Axiom LED was just about the winner when it came to the high powered LEDs, they were side by side with the GE Tetra PowerMax. What put Axiom at the the top was price, it was about 1/5th the price and ended up being slightly brighter by a few foot candles after 36,000 hours (12 sign years at 8 hrs a day) of operation and they were just a shy in brightness that of the Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. That was the class of 2008..... Now we have the Great White Hope II which started at the beginning of this year, and Axiom just got better being added in this month September 2014. We now have a light source that is just a hair under the brightness of a 13mm EGL DL65 Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamp running at 60ma. The Axiom AXLE9-XB is a very good alternative/option to Tri-Phosphor Neon & Fluorescent lamps for large channel letters and sign cabinets. I'll refuse to use the "Replacement" word in talking about any one lighting source over another because it all varies according to the intended use and application along with environmental conditions. And, it simply would not be true. The wow factor to the Axiom LED module is.....and I'll demonstrate at a later time with pics and videos because this is just an announcement is that you can a two for one LED module with the Axiom AXLE9-XB LED. You can use the module with or in a 12 volt system/power supply under driving it and use it as a .5 watt module, and you just about have the brightest module in Project Tighty Whitey, and the highest Foot Candle per Watt. Or... You can use run it on a 14.7 volt system and really using it as intended and where it's driving the Nichia of Japan LEDs at optimum with the Axiom PS6012 Power Supplies which are manually adjustable from 10.5 volts to 15 volts and now use it as a 1.6 High Brightness LED as used in the Great White Hope II. Axiom PS6012 60Watt Power Supply GWH II Test Comparison - Axiom AXLE9-XB (channel located on top) Now....some may ask why did we jump into LED sales? The answer is simple. 1st....I love to sell products that I believe in, and have used in my own sign applications in the past, and have tested for myself. truth be told and the reason for the delay in announcing this is because I ACTUALLY tried to jump into "Light Source" sales (plural) and I wanted to balance ourselves out by stocking Neon AND LEDs. Unfortunately, none of the Neon Manufacturers wanted to ford us the opportunity to stock them. They were all quite comfortable having only relationships with their longtime distributors who don't even promote their products anymore. Well....that's their call and their business, I'm not going to pull teeth.....I can't say I'm not disappointed, but be that as it may I'm EXCITED to distribute Axiom because I know and believe it's a Kick-Ass "Bunker Busting" product that works, and "Awes". Our door will always be open to any Neon glass manufacturer who would like us to be one of their proud distributors. I know we would do a very good job with them and their products because this industry is my passion. Alright...enough about the "why's". I'll be posting soon some upcoming pics and video's about what makes the Axiom LED system so great to use in your sign applications that can call out for it's use, and how it can help you achieve those mind blowing results that your customers will call you back to do another job or assist in the "word of mouth" referrals. For the Product specs visit the cart link here You can Visit / place orders over our online Shopping Cart or place them with us by phone / email at (858) 880-1400 - orders@thesignsyndicate.com
  6. I don't know what it is about our very own International Sign Association but they continually get it wrong when it comes to anything electric either in our very own electric sign industry or even when it comes to generally lighting. ISA just posted this Forbes article on their Facebook page with an added "Have you noticed that city skylines look a little different at night? I am noticing.... I'm noticing your continual lack of understanding and being able to decipher someones marketing points and doctored images to sell a products which lies about return on investment. Why does ISA have such a hard-on for anything LEDs or renewable energy? They seem to always orgasm on marketing done by others but don''t themselves have the clear ability to know when to pullout and get a grip on what's fiction and what's not. Their not interested in anything conventional. This all comes down to like I've been saying for years now and I'm proven right time and time again and this just emphasizes my point. When it comes to the International Sign Associations core group of the employed, the individuals who run the non-profit as a business they have no real background in our electric sign industry, or lighting background. Instead all we are left with as our leadership are individuals who only know how to run a business but not a trade. You have individuals from other areas, and they themselves might not even have real "know how" of that area in which they came. We have individuals that came from the plastics industry, the LED industry, maybe even someone from the lift-gate sales industry. We just had one come from the plastics industry, here into the sign industry then off into the pool and spa industry????? Just because you served in the plastics industry in the employment of a non-profit association doesn't mean you are validated about truly having knowledge about the plastic industry beyond being able to recite marketing points that were handed down to you. Which leads us to our trade. It's not good for our leadership to be composed of individuals who have no clear understating of what it is we do since they are not one of "us", nor understand how we survive and how we serve our customers. Instead the International Sign Association want to dictate to us, and enable government to pick winners where us the losers, pay out. I find it troubling in the areas in which they choose to support, or which area they choose to omit . So, back to the Forbes article obligation piece. http://www.forbes.com/sites/uciliawang/2014/09/10/bright-lights-big-profits/ This one line is a killer guaranteed to get a chuckle out of you. Keep in mind of Forbes audience and target, it's just the general public and investors. But the new marketing fear to switch over to LEDs is not that they can feed starving Cambodian Children or help out in world peace, but this time it's that LEDs help prevent "Breast Cancer". Careful! Don't spit your coffee on your keyboard, but yes you did read that right! So let's cut through all the Forbes article BS on return on investment and saving women from breast cancer and get to the meat of it. Let's look at the cool slider option. Before After 1 - As they want you to see it. How ISA wants to paint in your head. Looks good to to the average reader who has never even picked up or measured light right? Let's no look at it in the realm of reality. Before After 2 - As you should understand. I've circled some areas that are not affected by the public LED lighting, and what photographic filter are doing, or changes in the camera are not the same showing favorable lighting. Shadows and areas that were once lit up are now shadows and darkened. Overcast skies always cause glare of light again showing favorable lighting for the after shot which has no overcast skies Before After 3 - As they want you to see it. How ISA wants to paint in your head. Again, the wow factor. Let's spend 4 times more to get less in return. Before After 4 - As you should understand. Now, let's rip off the cover from our eyes and really take a look at what we really are being shown. Usually a good place marker for these before and after pics that I've debunked over and over in the past is to look at background signs. Cleverly the pole sign in the before pic is cropped out. But we can see that the pole sign to the far right down the street is over exposed showing favorable light for the "after". Also, another dead ringer that this is a over exposed after shot is the fact that the store to the left. Their window sign illumination is now splashed on the street whereas in the high sodium pressure lights is not present. In closing, I'm in so cal so I'm very aware of the fact that all out old merc vapor lighting which worked wonderfully in the past before they got switched to HPS lights was so they don't interfere with the observatories. I don't believe in the HPS lighting because of the problems it causes with crime and the fact that their to low in light output and change colors but merc vapor lighting would be so much more brighter and cost a lot less. As a taxpayer, I am very upset and we here in California wonder why all the business's leave our state with no incentive to stay. Well, another one where the International Sign Association falls short in an area in which they consciously choose to support instead of telling all like it is, in truth. LEDs are great in some areas and not so great in others. I myself like to use them when the application calls out for it, but the International Sign Association has no understanding of the when, the why, and nor do they care.
  7. So I came across this over the weekend on Sloan LED's Sign Box II and thought I'd post here for anyone interested to kick it around on their spare time. I didn't even have to do much on this one myself but one thing I did see on the Fluorescent side of things is a lot of fumbling around for something that is pretty simple with the simplest kind of knockdown raceway that anyone can just about pick up from their local hardware stores these days. I thought I would finish, or tell the rest of the story not mentioned, and that's what our expected cost would be using one over the other to save in time and what our customer will expect to pay for it. The Time Elapsed Video The final product with time Let's break this down on cost, and cost of operation and take a look at what we just saw and how it relates to our cost, what we will have to sell it for, and what the consumer will have to pay for. Let's just call this a 6' x 5' double sided cabinet. MATERIALS SHOP COST LIGHT SOURCES (30') 5) 6' Fluorescent T12 800ma Lamps - $6.04 each x 5 = $30.20 5) 6' Fluorescent T8 800ma Lamps - $22.00 each x 5 = $110.00 (Long Life Lamps) SignBoxII 20' Roll @ $390.54 each x 2 = $781.08 10' left over, or waste ($195.27) LAMP SOCKETS / CLAMPS/BRACKETS 10) HO Sockets $1.35 each x 10 = $13.50 Sloan LED's SignBox II LED Bag of 16 SignBox Clamps = $21.84 Brackets $7.62 each x 10 = $76.20 POWER SUPPLIES 1) HO Ballast (48' Load) = $62.95 2) Sloan LED Power Supplies $54.05 each x 2 = $108.10 POWER 8 Hours a day, 365 days a year. Annual cost of operation. T12 10.7 watts per foot x 30' = 321 watts 321 watts x 8hours x 365 days x $.12kwh / 1050 power correction = $107.12 annual cost of operation for 8 hours a day T8 8.37 watts per foot x 30' = 251.25 watts 251.25 watts x 8hours x 365 days x $.12kwh / 1050 power correction = $83.84 annual cost of operation for 8 hours a day Sloan LED's SignBox II 6 modules per foot @ .9 watts = 5.4 watts/foot x 30 = 162 watts 162 watts x 8hours x 365 days x $.12kwh / 1050 power correction = $54.06 annual cost of operation for 8 hours a day TOTAL SYSTEM COST BEFORE LABOR T12 = $106.65 T8 = $186.45 Sloan LED's SignBox II = $987.22 SAVING IN COST OF OPERATION Sloan LED's SignBox II vs T12 49% or $53.06 savings using SignBox in annual cost of operation Sloan LED's SignBox II vs T8 35% or $29.78 savings using SignBox in annual cost of operation MATERIAL COST SAVINGS T12 vs Sloan LED's SignBox II = $880.57 89% Saving using a T12 system vs Sloan LED's SignBox II T8 vs Sloan LED's SignBox II = $800.77 81% Saving using a T12 system vs Sloan LED's SignBox II CONSUMER RETURN ON INVESTMENT USING Sloan LED's SIGNBOX II T12 $880.57 Material Cost Saving / $54.06 Cost of Operation = 16.28 Years T8 $800.77 Material Cost Saving / $29.78 Cost of Operation = 29.55 Years VIDEO SAVING TIME 26 minutes 34 seconds 1 man labor at Journeyman = $33.00 per hour / 2 1/2 hour = $16.50 saving in labor using SignBoxII Now for the question to all of you. How much would you sell that 6'x5' (30sq') double sided cabinet for with simple faces (White with black lettering) as a Fluorescent and as a Sloan LED's SignBox II System fabrication & installation? What will your profit margin be? As a sign shop are we making money paying for and using a higher cost system? In the amount of time it takes to fabricate a complete sign cabinet are we loosing out on money keeping it conventional which has the lower cost and more proprietary (custom)? Now slightly away from this subject an in another subject to think about. What's to keep our trade to becoming as a commodity where the consumer can just go to HomeDepot and put their own LED system in where they just peel and stick? Now a day even schools have wide format printers, so vinyl and printing aren't really apart of the sign trade anymore. The only thing that's left IMO is sign painting, conventional back-lighting and Neon. When it comes to a mom & pop store sign just about anyone now a day can keep up a sheet of plex, anyone can print film, and just about anyone can pick up LEDs from a lighting store. What will keep our industry as a trade and be turned into a commodity which is the direction being pushed by those outside of our trade ? Large sign programs? Are we killing our own trade by not building unique and proprietary signs that does save money for us and the consumer? just some thoughts I'd throw out there since so many light source manufacturers are trying to dictate to the sign shop labor and cost and what they should be charging for retrofits like Ventex markets Are we soon to be just the middleman, the means for manufacturers to sell their products
  8. Their at it again. There is always a place and application for all light sources but... The Drake Hotel Brings Light To Going Green http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?news_id=2007827 "...The Drake Hotel and Olympic Signs of Lombard have teamed up to create green energy you can see. The Chicago landmark neon sign will be replaced with environmentally friendly Sloan LED lighting. Licensed by the EPA, Olympic Signs will dispose of the antiquated neon piping that used to adorn the 20ft "The Drake" sign. Thus, neon's 70 year run illuminating Lake Shore Drive officially ends. The new and improved sign will be the first of its kind. Olympic Signs President Robert Whitehead, whose company is known for green energy, has lead his team in the production of a new mold, a new source of energy and a new spin on an old goal: reduce, reuse and recycle. The original "The Drake" sign will be refurbished; essentially Whitehead's team will restore the background metal to its former glory. The neon piping will be recycled per EPA standards and the new lights will reduce the amount of energy the hotel needs to light "The Drake"...." ======================== If this is going to be another retrofit some neon gas pumped tubes to LED then The Drake should get ready for failure. We all remember the Genesee Beer debacle that we kicked around here a couple of years ago. Again, why retrofit something that's already in place? Just re-engineer the transformers and re-pump or retrofit with newer lamps. But Olympic Signs thinks they are saving the world from evil and curing cancer at the same time and one LED at a time. Olympic Signs say that LEDs over neon only cost 25% higher and that the sign user can make up for it in 10 months in energy consumption costs. Really? Genesee Beer had all kinds of issues from the start to the end, and if what I'm hearing is accurate they still continue today. Lets review those figures we came up with on that sign. Neon Project @ 380 linear feet 3.6 watts per foot x 380 linear feet = 1,368 watts $719.00 annual cost of operation @12 hrs a day for 365 days a year 11 Transformers = $990.00 New Wholesale Glass = $1,710.00 ****Much cheaper on glass cost for just adding new electrodes to old glass Total $2,700.00 SloanLED Flexibrite @380 linear feet 2.8 watts per foot x 380 feet = 1,064 watts $532.60 annual cost of operation @ 12 hrs a day for 365 days a year 22 Power Sources = $1,914.00 SloanLED Flexibrite = $7,075.00 ***Does not include the price of glue, clips, and caps and wiring Total $8,985.00 ROI: 48 years Hardly 10 months. But if Drake Hotel doesn't care about smart business sense and they just want to "pose" as a fictitious guise of been an earth saver by putting up a different light source among other things then hell, SPEND by all means. Sounds like they found the right sign company who will feed their ideology. I'm not hatin!! Money in hand and job is sold. Just don't remove a light source that does not degrade in light output, or be able to retrofit one with one that won't (Neon Gas)....with one that will and say it's better or better for the environment. Because it's not! Just sell it as what it is, an alternative to using Neon Lamps, not "Green energy you can see". Does Olympic not know Neon NOW is recognized as "Green" by UL? Last I looked it TOO has a UL Green Leaf stamp of wacko environmentalist approval A 70 Year old classic sign, The Drake has been a landmark....what a shame. Hope it works out for them
  9. THE KING IS BACK! Just two month ago we brought back the Axiom AXLE9 LED module into Project Tighty Whitey powered at 12 volts just like all others and the result is .5 watts per module. This month we added the same module but boosted the secondary to 14.7 volts where the Axiom LED AXLE9 runs at optimum. Just like in the original Great White Hope we all got the see the great results all the way to 36,000 hours and it kep right up there with GE's Power Tera Max going toe to toe. It was fair to say that both the Axiom and Power Tetra Max both outlasted the competition in that high powered (1 watt+) module class when it came to LEDs, and Elite Neon's Elite 65 for Cold Cathode Lamps or Neon. Well what a great module the Axiom AXLE9 is, you can use it as a standard 12 volt 1/2 watt module and it's still one of the brightest .5 watt module and =/+ brighter than any module that's .85 watts and lower in the Mid Sized Class systems that are in Project TIghty Whitey...or all you have to do is drive up the secondary to 14.7 volts and use at a high powered 1.6 watt module. By driving up the voltage from 12 volts to 14.7 you are not over driving it at the least as we've all witnessed and seen in The Great White Hope, maybe that's because it's one of the best chips on the market....Nichia of Japan, or maybe it's just the way it's designed! I took an early shot and I'm probably more impressed this round in the Great White Hope II than I was back in 2008 when we threw it in 36,000 hours ago. This newer version is brighter and as you can see it's pretty on par with the 60ma Neon lamp. Which one is it, it's the one at the very top of the stack....right above the 13mm 60 ma EGL DL61 Lamp. Like it always goes to the Sign Syndicate light tests, all we can do it throw everything up against the wall and we'll see what stick and what falls. I'll update July's evaluation sheet soon to reflect the addition.
  10. Sounds like someone better fix the contract http://www.tonawanda-news.com/local/x1927887577/Tonawanda-drops-LED-sign-proposal
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  16. July 2014 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. You can download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Please remember....we have now made these light testing results available to you for free. If you feel like you have learned/gained something from these results or found that these results have saved you money by choosing one product over another please help support us in upgrading your free membership, or by purchasing various sign supplies we have available for you & your company. Many of our sign supply products are usually well below what you might pay for at one of the mainstream sign suppliers and some are bundles with free shipping. We've attached many various banners to the results in hope something may grab your eye. The Sign Syndicate does not engage in light source lamp sales such as LED's or Lamps so that we do not become a biased source for news & information and maintain that high standard of only dealing with the facts. For individual test result updates & information visit the Project Tutorials located here LINK As always, enjoy the results and hope you learn as we do going down this adventurous path! The Great White Hope II (Year 1) - The high powered white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets, comprised of high powered LED modules 1watt+ and above with Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. (2,300+ hrs) Later this month we will add NC LED New high powered module as well as two of Axiom LED's products GreatWhiteHopeII 071514.pdf Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid (.85 watt modules and below) to mini sized LED modules. (34,000+ hrs) This month we introduce new module as well as NC LED, ProJectTight 071515.pdf The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison. (28,000+ hrs) RedL071514.pdf Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison. (18,000+ hrs) BorderSec 071514.pdf Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter. (7,000+ hrs) BlueLight071514.pdf The Great White Hope - Discontinued (Year 5) - The high powered white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets, comprised of high powered LED modules 1watt+ and above with Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. (33,000+ hrs) Though discontinued, we'll still go ahead and make this available for reference Download LINK
  17. May 2014 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. You can download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Please remember....we have now made these light testing results available to you for free. If you feel like you have learned/gained something from these results or found that these results have saved you money by choosing one product over another please help support us in upgrading your free membership, or by purchasing various sign supplies we have available for you & your company. Many of our sign supply products are usually well below what you might pay for at one of the mainstream sign suppliers and some are bundles with free shipping. We've attached many various banners to the results in hope something may grab your eye. The Sign Syndicate does not engage in light source lamp sales such as LED's or Lamps so that we do not become a biased source for news & information and maintain that high standard of only dealing with the facts. For individual test result updates & information visit the Project Tutorials located here LINK As always, enjoy the results and hope you learn as we do going down this adventurous path! The Great White Hope II (Year 1) - The high powered white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets, comprised of high powered LED modules 1watt+ and above with Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. (1,600+ hrs) Later this month we will add International Lights New high powered module as well as two of Axiom LED's products GreatWhiteHopeII 051514.pdf Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid (.85 watt modules and below) to mini sized LED modules. (33,000+ hrs) This month we introduce Axiom's AXLE9, it's been a while since we've had an Axiom product but here it is! Later this month we will add International Lights New module as well as NC LED, ProJectTight 051514.pdf The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison. (27,000+ hrs) Later this month we will add International Lights New module RedL051514.pdf Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison. (17,000+ hrs) BorderSec 051514.pdf Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter. (6,000+ hrs) Later this month we will be adding NC LED's new Blue as well as International Lights BlueLight051514.pdf The Great White Hope - Discontinued (Year 5) - The high powered white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets, comprised of high powered LED modules 1watt+ and above with Tri-Phosphor Neon Lamps. (33,000+ hrs) Though discontinued, we'll still go ahead and make this available for reference GreatWhite 060713.pdf
  18. Warning, common sense ahead.... http://theworldlink.com/news/local/n-or-th-bend-welcomes-overhaul-of-neon-sign/article_7d6774da-a3fa-5c80-90c7-1587a31c53de.html
  19. Anyone know where to buy these Class II Plug in units for small edge kraft lighting projects? I've seen some meanwells around but looking for a good source. Thanks
  20. Pillsbury Dough Boy Done Down & Dirty Article http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/252366791.html And we have another! Leak gas??? They make it sounds like a health hazard. This time right now it's in the hands of the city's heritage preservation commission. I wonder if the Heritage Commission has all the facts in front of them presented by Lawrence sign before they're about to make a grave, costly mistake. Once again we have a marker, a pinpoint for the future that we can look back on and there is no need to predict, it will happen, because they're choosing to change a light source to this classic retro sign which are lamps pumped with neon gas, in turn they are nothing more than glass and gas a light source that does NOT degrade in light overtime, who's light output is NOT affected by outside temperatures, and to be retrofitted to one that is. We've seen it a couple years back Genesee Beer http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5364-signs-of-the-times-february-2012-issue/ Just recently in Chicago http://www.thesignsyndicate.com/forums/index.php?/topic/6406-the-drake-hotel-sign/ If we were all to be a fly on that wall at the time of the sales pitch, I'm sure they heard fictitious and misleading facts like "Energy Efficient".."Green"...."it's GOOD for the environment"...."Return on Investment in just s a few years!"....and according to the article cost of operation will go from $15,000.00 to $1,000.00. Someone may even have pulled out a pamphlet from the Ventex marketing playbook which exaggerates a 15kv neon transformers as having 500+ watts and costs to be doubled. Someone could have even pulled out a Sign Builder Illustrator and pulled out the article where Magic Mouth says LEDs he can save everyone 80% in cost of operation because his magic way is more "Efficient". I'm just very sure that whatever sales pitch was pulled it was unbelievable, somehow the Genesee Beers that were served were labeled as a IPA Craft beer. But for whatever reason maybe it was the overwhelming marketing moment, the show pony walking on it's hind legs, the salesmen juggling fireballs and no one bothered to take a sip of the beer to notice it tasted like tap water....maybe that was the idea, conjure a distraction. Should we so much as dare to take a thought at the idea that it was NEVER even brought up that maybe a money saving way to all this could be to keep things in heritable preservation, keep the historic value, is maybe just cut the ends off all the red neon pumped glass and re-pump the lamps? Wow, 60+ more years of life!! What else can we do? Hmmmmm, let's think about re-engineering the Transformer placement. Make some shorter runs maybe? Replace all the wiring? Hmmmm, do all that and we can add maybe another 20 years until a neon transformer replacement somewhere in the sign MAY be needed. Oh look, Red Neon Lamps do NOT degrade in light over time but LEDs do. How long before another retrofit should we predict? Or the replacement of a Electronic LED Driver? Couple years, less than a year? If this sign has been around since the 40's, the LED light alone won't even last a fraction of that. Should we even think that someone ever mentioned that the Neon cost of operation is only 3.6 watts per foot to the average 1.25 watts per foot to that of a Flex LED strip when it comes to red? If so, how did they get the $15k to $1k a year in annual operation??? What were these magic numbers that's saving in over 93%??? These numbers even top that of Magic Mouth himself and The New England Sign Spinner. We have a new player in town obviously. Of course it's been in "disrepair", I'm sure it's been nothing but talentless sign and lighting companies who have just over the years been replacing lamps and components and never actually fixing the issue that started it all in the first place. When said and done, and after the dog and pony act is finally gone long gone from the conference room, the excitement of of something "new" is diminished in the minds of the project managers and architects and the once classic sign, morphed into political correctness will soon turn into maintenance calls. The one year warranty by the sign contractor will expire, the 3 to 5 year warranty of LED lamps manufacturer will maintain for a short time but the labor costs in that period to change out those components will be absorbent. Shoulders will shrug, the look for answers will just turn into excuses and "...well...". That sexy attraction of this project will loose it's luster and maybe if the same people within the city are still employed in the same positions maybe, just maybe someone will take an actual sip of that ol stale beer to see what it tasted like and discover what it was that they actually got served that day. Then just like the Citgo Ballpark sign, they will have bought their own little Citgo project that went from Neon to LED Retrofit, to LED to LED Retrofit. Just like the other previous projects. I hope Lawrence sign doesn't remove all of the Neon Housing holes, they WILL need those down the road a lot sooner than they think. Somethings definitely getting/coming out of this oven for those 93% in saving that we saw on the baking product box, but it won't be a batch of cookies that mama used to make, something coming...it's just going to be a little flat in appearance and tasteless after the first bite and so on after that. With the cookie tray out and ready to eat and for a most likely 48 year Return on Investment. Retrofitting this project from Neon to Neon could have been in the thousands ($) range in materials alone, instead it will be in the tens of thousands range + the labor........well...that's what you get!! Bon Appetit Minneapolis!!!
  21. March 2014 Results click LINK February 2014 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. You can download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Please remember....we have now made these light testing results available to you for free. If you feel like you have learned/gained something from these results or found that these results have saved you money by choosing one product over another please help support us in upgrading your free membership, or by purchasing various sign supplies we have available for you & your company. Many of our sign supply products are usually well below what you might pay for at one of the mainstream sign suppliers and some are bundles with free shipping. We've attached many various banners to the results in hope something may grab your eye. The Sign Syndicate does not engage in light source lamp sales such as LED's or Lamps so that we do not become a biased source for news & information and maintain that high standard of only dealing with the facts. For individual test result updates & information visit the Project Tutorials located here LINK As always, enjoy the results and hope you learn as we do going down this adventurous path! The Great White Hope II (Year 1) - The white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets Our opening lineup includes Neon lamps from FMS Neon, Glostertube, EGL & Voltarc. LEDs from GE, Sloan, Permlight, EGL Veritas, Hyrite, & International Light Technologies, GOQ LED GreatWhiteHope 020214.pdf - UPDATED 2/17/14 10:45am pst Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid to mini sized LED modules New this month is JS LED Updated - AA LED Eco (Next month), GOQ LED & Osram BackLED M Plus ProJectTight 020214B.pdf -UPDATED 2/11/14 The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison Updated soon with JS LED & JT LED RedL020214.pdf Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison Updated soon with Glostertube BorderSec 020214.pdf Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter Updated Soon with FMS Neon & Glostertube BlueLight020214.pdf
  22. COMPLETE TRANSCO TO GO "ULTIMATE" LED BOX I'm putting together and packaging some Complete LED Boxes. All LED boxes come with one Disconnect Toggle Switch with Silicone Boot, Lockable Safety Switch Plate, and either one Axiom LED 60 Watt 90-277 Volt Power Supply, or a Complete LED Box with Two Axiom LED 60 Watt 90-277 Volt Power Supplies giving you 120 Watts per LED Box. The Transco To Go "Ultimate" LED Box has a few more features than the Paige LED Box. For example the Ultimate Box already comes with a double nutted Structural Body & Service Ground that you don't have to drill and add yourself, Inspectors want these and it saves time! It also comes with a compartment that separates the Primary from the Secondary wiring, it just makes the box "neater" and looks good for time of inspection. The Ultimate LED Box also comes with LED Power Supply Sleeves, for easy in and out. Now for the Axiom LED Power Supplies. I can't say enough about these. The Sign Syndicate.com has been using over 26 Axiom LED power Supplies for our Neon & LED Light Source Comparison Tests since 2008 and these have been in operation for 20 Hours a day and for 36,000+ hours WITHOUT ONE FAILURE!!!! These Power Supplies KICK ASS!!! Why did we choose the Axiom LED Power Supply as our choice power source for our Test Comparisons??? Because their Military Grade, they stay cool, their water tight and can be used underwater up to 30'. They can be manually adjusted from 10.5 volts to 15 volts, this works great for constant voltage LED's assuring that the whole LED circuit is at 12 volts!!! This was our choice LED Power Supply for years for out tests and before we started to sell them here!!! Inspectors are starting to ask for Lockable safety switch plates, this complete Ultimate LED Box comes with one...NO worries!!! I have two combo's of this setup to choose from in our ONLINE SHOPPING CART 1. One Complete Transco To Go Ultimate LED Box with one AXIOM LED Power Supply for $52.50 2. One Complete Transco To Go Ultimate LED Box with two AXIOM LED Power Supplies for $84.50
  23. Now that the results from our testing are public and made available to anyone in the electric sign industry, what is your favorite light source and which do you stick to in the following categories? 1. High Powered White, Neon or LED. Modules that are .85 watts and higher. 2. Mini to mid sized LED''s, .85watts an below? 3. What is your favorite RED LED? 4. What Mfg do you use for outline, exposed, or border tubing Neon or LED? Think blue, red and green 5. What Neon or LED's do you use for blue? 6. What Neon or LED's do you use for blue? 7. When it comes to standard sized sign cabinet, double sided, single sided or monument signs. What lamps do you use? Which HID, LED, or HO Fluorescent lamps do you use and mfg? 8. Which mfg and brands did you use before that you may have dropped using, what were the reasons?
  24. July 2013 Electric Sign Industry Neon & LED Test Comparison Results Login or join (free) to download the newest Sign Syndicate test comparison .pdf result sheet at the bottom of every Light Project Test entry with the most current date. Below are the various categories of our test results made available for the electric sign industry. Project Tight Whitey (Year 3 & 4) - The white exclusive LED only test comparison for mid to mini sized LED modules The Red Light District (Year 3 & 4) - The Red Neon & LED channel letter light source test comparison Border Security (Year 3 & 4)- The Neon & LED border tube lamp test comparison Blue Light Special Year 1 & 2) - The blue Neon & LED test comparison for channel letter The Great White Hope (Year 5 & 6) - The white Neon & LED test comparison for large channel letters and sign cabinets (Discontinued until August 2013)
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