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  2. Belsinger Sign Works

    Side Projects in the Shop

    We stopped doing this years ago on the recommendation of our insurance carrier. We were advised if the employee is injured when in our shop we would be subject to workmen's compensation. It did not matter if they were on the clock or not.
  3. Sign Lady

    Side Projects in the Shop

    Haha -- computer updated between the first one and the second one! Well, you get to read my thoughts 2 times today! LOL
  4. Sign Lady

    Side Projects in the Shop

    Typed this earlier, but it must not have posted I allow my folks to use my shop, equipment and scrap materials for their own stuff, but never for profit. If they have to have more than I have in scrap, they have to buy it at my cost. I don't mind one bit if they do their kids projects, or banners for their sports teams - on their own time. There is always going to be that one that takes advantage - give them an inch and they take 10 miles and screw it up for everybody else. If I find one of mine doing that, I will stop it for everybody. If they take advantage of my kindness, it stops. I want to keep my guys happy too - but not to my detriment. I don't ever let my guys do the "small stuff" because I don't want my customer to feel like I didn't want to do their small job. Don't ever want a customer to feel like that.
  5. UFB Fabrication

    Side Projects in the Shop

    It may different with us, as we are wholesale to the trade only. If its for a friend or relative fine, but thats the extent of it in regards to signs. I will do charity work on the clock. If its other stuff like fix a trailer weld a ______ for themselves or friends they are welcome. Most of the time give the material away within reason. Now if they are getting paid for it then I want to be reimbursed for electric and everything. If it a big project I want a cut as its my overhead and machinery they are getting use of. I gave 2 qts of paint away 3 minutes ago FWIW. But if you do business on your project on my time which I consider theft , steal from me or sell signs you are fired.
  6. Sign Lady

    Side Projects in the Shop

    I agree with the other guys. I allow my folks to use my place for their own stuff. Never for profit. I think it sends the message to the customer that it was so small you didn't want to mess with it. I don't ever want one of my customers to feel that way. Like with anything else, there is always going to be that one that you give an inch and they take 10 miles and abuse it. If ever one of mine abused it, it would stop for all. I am kind to a point, but don't take advantage of my kindness. Sounds like you already know what you need to do. Probably going to be hard to do it, but you can't let employees, no matter how great, to take advantage of you. Especially while using your place, your equipment and your materials! Not cool.
  7. bender

    For sale: Arete notcher

    What's the max thickness this machine will handle? Can we push 22 gauge galvaneal through it?
  8. Erik Sine

    We're Moving Out

    Stock Updated, 2 Weeks left of this sale
  9. Yesterday
  10. paul321

    Side Projects in the Shop

    This is a no win for the owner. Yes I allow my employees to make their own projects for their own usage. They can do it on their time only They let me know before they start and tell me what it is for and what they are going to use. In General, I have no real concerns or problems. If it keeps everyone happy, so be it. Here is the problems........ It amazes me how fast they get their work completed, start to finish. Why cant they do my work as fast ? I let them use everything and anything they need to. Complete access to everything. I ask that they pay for all new materials, ( Sometimes ) Otherwise I hope they use scraps if they can When they have to reach into their pockets to pay, it becomes a fight on material costs. Ask about Labor Costs and they will tell how many minutes they used. Forget about any damages to my equipment, Don't go there because it would have happened at anytime. You cant win on this subject. When I see them abuse the " Benefits " I stop it.
  11. alltex

    Side Projects in the Shop

    Sooner or later they (employees) always take advantage of a great situation. I allow my employees to build small projects for themselves, not for resale. If they need something for their kids team, a B Day, Anniversary... I'm cool with that. I let them work on their vehicles, borrow a trailer and truck to move. But when it comes to money, regardless of the amount. If it's happening in my shop, it's my money.
  12. Erik Sine

    Side Projects in the Shop

    I would have no problem with personal projects, but I wouldn't allow projects for profit, you're fitting all the overhead and more.
  13. Frank Murch

    Side Projects in the Shop

    Side Projects in the Shop I have always allowed my employees to build stuff in the back on their own time. These are normally a banner for the kid’s big game, or a sign about a “hole in one” or address numbers or often car detailing – stickers on a car. It has not been a problem. I have one employee that is doing side jobs (for money) in the back. I am beginning to feel that I may be being taken advantage of. My attitude is starting to change. I am looking for your help. After thinking about it My questions kind of fit in a few areas: SCOPE 1. I have no problem with allowing employees to use shop equipment for occasional personal projects 2. Should I control the size and number of side jobs? MATERIALS 1. I have no problem with using the company’s trade accounts to buy materials for an employee when they cover the cost 2. Do I give away excess material? Do I even know what is really walking out the door in the back? 3. Excess (or “waste”) material use? We do not want to encourage deliberate culling of waste material during the day to use it to build a project at night. But if it was going to the dumpster – I do not mind. How can I even tell?? 4. Would all the “scrap” used be approved by me? It beats having to pay to have it hauled off, but I do not want to get into the weeds. Am I interested in becoming the scrap police? 1. If the “employee” gets injured while using machinery that you gave him permission to use on his own time, the insurance company will not view the injured person as an employee and workman’s comp will not cover the injury? 2. Allow someone to use your shop for his personal purposes you are risking your company if somebody gets hurt? RELATIONS 1. Maybe an employee will appreciate the opportunity? If it makes them happy and it doesn’t hurt the business, it’s a win/win? 2. I feel like giving my guys an opportunity to do smaller projects I don’t want to be bothered with puts money in their pockets. 3. If I encourage personal projects and it helps in skill development does this give me better, happier workers? 4. Should there be time limitations? After work in OK, but is late night on the weekends? The problem is it is a gray area question. I didn’t rent a building, stock it with tools and supplies, hire employees whom I have to pay to provide a place to pursue their side job. It creates some good will (positive) and it opens up problems (negative). Where is the balance??
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  15. HansonSigns

    Journyman Electrician Washington State

    WILL HELP WITH RELOCATION EXPENSES!!
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  17. plyda

    Pattern use in Winter

    Thanks ALL! Some great ideas. BTW we use a lot of Gorilla tape. It works great as long as the temp is higher than 35 degrees.
  18. PST

    Pattern use in Winter

    Gorilla Tape works on ANYTHING. Super aggressive adhesive. Another trick is to use a fender washer and screw the pattern right through a few of the mounting holes you're going to use anyway to hold the pattern. It's a little tricky, but also using a hot melt glue gun on brick works well and the glue will just peel of the brick when done. Do a test run on this method BEFORE trying on the job site. I wouldn't use this on EFIS. Hope this helps. When all else fails use a big booger!
  19. wizzy00

    Pattern use in Winter

    After having an installation company for 40 yrs. (now retired, don't miss winter) We used lots and a good quality duct tape, where the mounting holes were in the letters on the pattern we used lags, screws etc with fender washers. If windy on dri-vit (foam with a concrete coating) we would use two different drills and quickly mark the mounting holes with a small bit and the electrical with the large. Remove the pattern and then finish drilling the wall. We have used the coro-plast method many times, We would buy coro-plast when it was on sale or buy defective sheets from our supplier. Thin masonite works well too and can be used for multiple installs of the same sign as long as it was cut from the same files on the computer. In wind a paper pattern alone, not a good idea, but if any rips or large holeS occur they must be taped up right away, nothing worse as too lose your pattern before your job is finished. In the past have used the carbon paper from the neon bending days and traced my letters and mounting holes onto the coro-plast, useful on wet days.
  20. Erik Sine

    Maybe The Wildest LED Claim Yet

    Oh Boy, now Principal LED is trying to compete with the outrageous marketing claim of 10 years with all of their products. What...now Labor costs in that 10 years??? Where's the confidence??? Is there confidence or only a marketing ploy? So how is this all going to match up 9 years later? Am I reading this right? if less than 15% of the diodes in a letter or cabinet fail or dim , it's not covered? Do their power supplies also cover a warranty for 10 years? If not, why not? Why not wrap this into one coverage? What about Lumen maintenance? If the Light Output dims above 15% of the original light output in under 10 years will it be covered? If so, their in trouble! I doubt they'll warranty that. 😂
  21. Erik Sine

    We're Moving Out

    Not moving out of San Diego, just a couple of miles
  22. Signsfast

    Pattern use in Winter

    3m 77glue spray
  23. plyda

    Pattern use in Winter

    Thanks! Did not think of the reuse part regarding coro. Love the idea! What spray adhesive have you found to work best? What speed do you run the spindle at.... Assuming very slow. 😎
  24. Signsfast

    Pattern use in Winter

    dont waste your time with tape and paper patterns. Tape your pattern to coroplast or spray glue. Also you can make them on your router. put a sharpie in the spindle and draw the pattern on the coro and use a cutting bit to cut the pattern out and key it into the next panel and drill the holes through the coro.
  25. paul321

    Pattern use in Winter

    Spray glue your patterns onto Coroplast and drill tap cons right thru it where the letters are. Make sure sure that your letters will cover your drilled out holes No tape or worries about the pattern moving or ripping. Coroplast is waterproof and a solid light weight material. Use it over and over until you can use it anymore
  26. plyda

    Pattern use in Winter

    Thanks Rocco! I like the idea of the tape to make a hem and then staples. We have done the cardboard trick with tapcons as well.
  27. Rocco

    Pattern use in Winter

    For eifs I usually use the extra wide gorilla tape. It's about $15/roll around here but worth every cent. For those times that even what won't stick, a friend showed me a neat technique (Thanks Ken). Run a line of duct tape (cheap stuff ok) around the perimeter of the pattern. Then use a staple gun and attach the pattern to the wall with staples, making sure to land them on the tape. The tape strengthens the pattern and also makes removing the staples almost effortless. Of course there are always a few staples that want to stay in their new home so use SS staples. I find one of those reverse handled staplers work better for me, though I've always thought of using a hammer stapler like they use to put up tyvek house wrap. When I do just go with tape I tap the tape onto the wall (eifs or masonry) with the tape roll to get it to stick in the nooks and crannies better. My friend uses a rubber mallet. For masonry, if I have a really hard time, I put a few tapcons into the pattern (again through tape), making sure to be inside the letters. Occasionally we have trouble with painted walls and screw those patterns up as well. I know of one local company that often spray glues patterns onto that corrugated rolled cardboard and attach the pattern to the wall with anchors. That way their signs go up rain or shine. I'm not that hardcore.
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