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  1. I was just going through some of my old paperwork. I'm getting ready to retire, and disposing of a lot of old stuff. I happened to find this old letter; I used to install a lot of Allstate signs, and we usually sent a detailed report after the job was complete. Here's the text, you might enjoy this: Dear Turner. Regarding this service call, we actually did get to the location the very next day after the order. Prompt and professional service - that's the way we roll. There was one minor incident; actually so piddley that I didn't think of it till just now. So anyways, t
    7 points
  2. "Fuck Em"... What can they really do? Band together and scold you? Can they come after members who are posting in real time about bad payer's? They can try, won't go anywhere... The fact of the matter is the majority of us, if not all. Run our business' with honor and pride. Which translates to paying our bills on time. Supplying the customer with the products we quoted them. Fabricating the jobs as specified. And servicing all of our customers to the best of our abilities. Are the bad payer's going to blackball all of us that have outed them? It would be redundant, since we no lo
    7 points
  3. Eugene, some excellent insight from the other posters in this topic, so I'll just add my brief comments. We have (or are) all been here. I'm in my last half of my life in this profession and a few things are really becoming clear. I think most of these apply to all of us: 1. there is no shortage of work in most areas right now. The main goal for everyone now is not getting work, but weeding out the bad work so you can spend your time on good clients. 2. A lot of work out there is just not worth doing by anyone. Either someone is not willing to pay for it, or they are asking for things
    5 points
  4. Thought I'd mention something, and I will discuss it a little bit more over the weekend about it if I get the time. But there is an element and it's becoming more and more of a group effort to tear down The Sign Syndicate and rid it off the industry by means of hurting those that support this site because they fear the open honest discussion that happens here. It's a three headed monster composed of a particular large sign supplier, various association member volunteers, & just a couple of large national sign companies. They all have one thing in common. They're having financial diff
    5 points
  5. Erik; I told you that many entities are watching this site because you are like a Ray of Sunshine to the industry. And you know what they say about Sunshine............it is the best disinfectant. I always mention The Syndicate to customers and fellow contractors. Heck, I even mention this site to contractors who are in other venues because some of the same NSP's not only handle electrical, lighting and signage, but they cut across different trades. It doesn't matter if you are a Sign Contractor or HVAC contractor, you need to know who those Predators are who will potentially make your life
    5 points
  6. Thank you my captain my captain! You can't see me but I am standing on my desk
    5 points
  7. So, I've been meaning to post this, so what better time than while it's fresh in my head. I get these from time to time....I think I've mentioned it a couple of times, or maybe I haven't. I received a email shortly after the ISA show from a National Sign Company we were at. Their known for their.....not so good payment schedule. In short they asked me to remove the content about their company on my board, and that it was for the most part untrue, and in most cases under normal circumstances most are paid by 60 days. I'm not going to mention t
    4 points
  8. Today I begin my 51st year in this wonderful creative business we are all in......seems like just yesterday I got started by cementing those little blue and red Florida Plastic 1/2" letters onto a 2" x 24" strip of white acrylic for the McDonald's menu boards we were producing at Plasticraft (formerly Pensacola Neon Sign Co) Manufacturing Co. in Pensacola at 3 AM to have that Menu Board on the truck that was leaving at 6 AM to deliver the complete sign package to a new location somewhere in the Southeastern US. We made over 450 sign installations for McDonald's and many of them are still being
    4 points
  9. The other day I got an Email from a "National Maintenance Company" Another new name on the scene looking for subs. I asked how they are paying for the work. They replied that they pay by check after 30 days of completion Sorry, I want full payment when I'm done by Credit Card. You are a 1st timer with me. Their answer was that ....Our company rules are that we pay 30 days after the job is completed. I Looked at Google Maps and found............ Their " Company" is a Private House on a nice tree lined street. They are working from their bedroom on a lap top, probabl
    4 points
  10. I've worked at a few shops that had written guidelines for this very purpose. As they say, things can look good on paper... It sounds like you hired outside of the industry with little to no sign experience. Maybe on purpose or possibly because there was no applicants with experience. Either way, you've got your work cut out for you. Everyone is different, but it's safe to assume it takes most people at least a year to learn enough of the basics to do a good job. A written reference is a good start, but a group tour of jobs you've completed and other sign types throughout your immedi
    4 points
  11. Like I said before....The Sign Companies that kept neon going is like having water in the desert. Neon is a skilled craft, installed and serviced by skilled professionals. And you will get the big dollars for it.
    4 points
  12. I totally agree with ALLTEX's Statement. I have been there, done that and passed all the same shit ( road blocks ) on the way. The closed door behind the curtains mentality is now in full view to all. There are no more demands by the Nationals to play by their rules only. We have a choice and we now make our own policies. True facts..........The Nationals are only as good as their subs. The subs control the nationals accounts. PAY the subs on time. Everyone benifits The Nationals have taken notice to this site and some have changed their ways of doing bu
    4 points
  13. Oh lord. Tell us which distributor and I promise we will never make a purchase with them again. See how they like them apples, haha. Or are they on the east coast?
    4 points
  14. Ha! Action Services just called me and asked for a quote for a job and then started questioning the break down on the estimate (arguing over travel). I then informed her that they would have to pay up front, she replied we don't pay in advance to which I said no you don't pay at all. I thanked her for the call and hung up.
    4 points
  15. Wish I had known that someone else was building my business for me. I wouldn't have worked so many 16 hour days. If I had only known, I could have been drinking beer and laying by the pool.
    4 points
  16. Boston's Famous Citgo Sign Catches Fire POSTED: 12:28 pm EDT October 15, 2008 UPDATED: 2:28 pm EDT October 15, 2008 BOSTON, Mass. -- The world-famous Citgo sign that sits behind the Green Monster in Fenway Park caught fire Wednesday. Two ladder trucks were dispatched to the sign late Wednesday morning. The fire blackened some of the panels on the red, white and blue sign. Fire department spokesman Steve MacDonald said flames were visible when firefighters got there, but the fire was quickly put out. MacDonald said the blaze was likely caused by an electrical short circuit and estimated th
    4 points
  17. Vickie; I am an electrician, having transitioned from the sign industry. In California, I believe I am deemed "essential". The problem is that Capital budgets as well as Reactionary budgets have seized shut everywhere making the work disappear. I work directly for major companies in the oil industry as well as many national food chains and I can tell you the work is stopped for the time being. I did not mention those in the venues listed but I can assure you they are household names. Now, some could go belly up sucking contractors as well as everyday folks with them.
    3 points
  18. We do a lot of work for casinos and large construction managers. We ALWAYS have to sign some kind of waiver BEFORE payment (usually a matter of a day or 2 before) BUT they all say "upon payment" IF it doesn't say something like that do not sign unless you #1 know the payer very well and totally trust them to pay you or #2 don't care if you get paid or not. If it's a national sign company don't sign it until you see the $
    3 points
  19. TERMS This is a removal and has NO Value to anyone Once the Signs are down, No one cares if you get paid and there is No One to go after . Removals......Paid in full prior to work or start of work Especially if you are working for someone else who is waiting to get paid
    3 points
  20. SHAME- NICE TRUCK WILL BE FOR SALE BY ONE OF THOSE FLORIDA TRUCK BROKERS IN A MONTH.
    3 points
  21. = we have a service opportunity in your area that requires a 2 man bucket truck and a NTE of $250, and oh now we will pay you in 90+ or not at all
    3 points
  22. BTW this is a nationwide epidemic getting skilled labor and people that will work.
    3 points
  23. Frustrated 1st thing in the morning leaves the entire day to really get pissed off. When people ask me " How many employees do you have working for you " ? I answer " About half " That is the reality of being a business owner If this was easy, everyone would do it.
    3 points
  24. Yes this is very sad to everyone. The " Good Guy " just trying to do the right thing. The other issue is .........These Message Center Sign Companies who sell to the General Public. ( The Florida Specials ) They advertise and sell directly to the Schools, Churches and Public. They sell the sign and send them the 15 Minute Video on how to install it. " You can do it " advice.
    3 points
  25. Sooner or later they (employees) always take advantage of a great situation. I allow my employees to build small projects for themselves, not for resale. If they need something for their kids team, a B Day, Anniversary... I'm cool with that. I let them work on their vehicles, borrow a trailer and truck to move. But when it comes to money, regardless of the amount. If it's happening in my shop, it's my money.
    3 points
  26. Does anyone talk anymore ? Every day I constantly get Emails about jobs. Please send me an estimate for ........1 4 x 8 white sign with 27 black letters on it. Or similar Crap. Even the Nationals send the same nothing info and want pricing. Whats your best price ? No one wants to give a phone number, talk about anything. Just send a price on the unknown. We are all becoming push button morons
    3 points
  27. But the lady on Pinterest said they do this ALL THE TIME
    3 points
  28. I always call. No exceptions. You don't build a relationship with a vendor w/o actually talking to them.
    3 points
  29. Dave, Our previous wonderful Presidents have let other countries have their "way" with us. We haven't had fair trade up until now. When has NAFTA ever benefited our Farmers, factories Automobile plants etc for us? Our farmers are suffering and losing their farms, our plants ar just about shut down in the last 30 years. Our largest steel plants are about to shut their doors. Other countries tax our exports 25%+, we tax them 2.5%. Is this fair? Does Canada do this? When you say "his way" you mean our way, because this President, our President is following through on
    3 points
  30. Discrimination ? Really ? I am a White Male, Born here in America, Speak English and went thru the Public School System. I got the same schooling as everyone else did, Blacks, Whites, Orange and Green, Male or Female College Aid.......Nothing for me, my parents worked. I have been discriminated against my entire adult life. In Civil Service, It was minority hiring....1 White male for every 3 minorities. ( Failures too ) Then it was the Women. They could not pass the Physical Test. Again they and all the Minorities got special free schooling to pass the test. I ha
    3 points
  31. Personally the way his campaign has been run from the start to now, and how he will execute his ideas and policy I feel like I'm looking in a mirror. When I look at him and how he's battled both sides the only difference between he and I is.....he has a ton more money. So I'm a little bit partial to him From a serious stand point, and a business owner. It's time we've had a true outsider in, with successful business experience to run this inefficient government . I think he's VERY serious about putting this country and it's people first with every decision he will be m
    3 points
  32. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/STMG/sott_201608/#/110 Oh boy Robin Donovan of Signs of The Times is a Doooofus. Looked at a few things about her and it appears Wade left the sign industry typewriter with a Greeny, Hippy, Meditating, Buddahish........Activist. She's one of those that believes that "Hands up don't shoot" by Michael Brown in Ferguson really happened. Nothing more than a thug who robbed a store, beat up the store tenant, and assualted a police officer and tried to take his gun away from him and probably murder him with it. So I'm sure her typ
    3 points
  33. This may not sound encouraging but I mean it to be - this is on you if you are in charge. Sounds like it is time to step back and work on your business instead of letting it grow out of control. Look at your processes and kill what is not working and try something new. Establish new process and standards and stick to them for at least 90 days and then reevaluate. Create a new business and marketing plan and go after markets you want with the clients you want and fire the rest. Create a new niche or develop a new product or style. Been there. Sold my last sign shop ten years ago for the same
    3 points
  34. Wow, did you just pull out the white privilege card? Let me tell you something as someone who's visual appearance is that of not "white". White privilege or White entitlement does NOT exist here in America today, it's nothing more than a weak excuse, a label by those who can't or have failed to do on their own or use it to "blame" for not having what they think they should have. What makes this country great is the fact that we're all American, we're all one, I feel sorry for those who look at other American's and labels, or classify people based on their appearance or skin color and group
    3 points
  35. You need to really look at your expenses. I bet you you don't clear $ 100. at those rates. On the other side of this......... At your rates, other sign companies look at your pricing and know you don't know what you're doing. Go higher and you will get jobs
    3 points
  36. I agree with most of the China-vs-West ideas, but I think China in a business sense is more capitalistic than the US and other rich Western countries. A dear friend of mine runs a business in Hong Kong. As as business you can pretty much do what you want there. Copyrights, environmental regulations, truth in advertising, etc. are not strictly enforced. Money dictates the rules. The government is of course very anti-democratic - but I think business there is much more slanted toward pure capitalism than many other places. Capitalism does provide incentive to work harder and do better... b
    3 points
  37. I was told not that long ago by an old guard in a conversation of the industry that you can't keep friendships in this industry because it's just "business". I thought that was an unfortunate and sad statement to make, and maybe that's why problems exist with their own company and cause. As long as I've had this site I've developed many relationships and made lots of new friends, but I've also had different relationships with friends depending on how it was relative to the industry, fellow sign shop, supplier/distributor, component manufacturer. I've had some try to take advanta
    3 points
  38. I dont do it for nationals, but I do drive around towns and write down and take a pic of outages and give the list to a salesman to call
    3 points
  39. This is a perfect example of "There's a sucker born every day". Hey follow that carrot on that stick, it will get closer.
    3 points
  40. Sounds like that came from the White House!!
    3 points
  41. Hey, "FREE SHIT!" The socialist crowd sourcing model strikes again
    3 points
  42. Bringing America Back Home First I want to say that I fear for the future of the American Electric Sign Industry, this is why I say the things I do when it comes to this trade, and of course our leadership and the role their supposed to fill. I've never been accused of of holding back my feelings, so let's not give that a second thought. This topic has been in the making since our Vegas ISA Trip. I've been meaning to post for some time, I've written some, saved it, written some more, deleted some content and saved it all while working on sign projects and life events....and it's grown si
    3 points
  43. There are many books and a lot of information on the web about sign construction. I don't think their is one book that covers all the answers about sign construction techniques. If you don't have an experienced designer/fabricator on board you have to do your own research,research and more research. I think many may have not replied because it's is funny question. It's like saying"I want to be a brain surgeon"Can someone tell if there is a book that shows me how. If you have a particular question I am sure there are many folks here that will help you out.
    3 points
  44. Found this can of AMP energy drink last week in a sign while doing some service work. Looks like the last installer ran out of 36" bulbs but had a 30" left, so to make up the difference he taped a socket to the can.
    3 points
  45. Been super busy lately, actually swamped for the next 5 weeks booked. That distributor wouldn't happen to be the one who likes to have product drop shipped in so they can tack on to the shipping for even more profit?. IMHO Erik's syndicate is the most valuable asset on the web for the industry. The people who do not want this around are afraid. I do not understand why. the people who contribute are only trying to improve the work of others, the lurkers are the ones that are to proud to admit they need help or stuck in the mindset that they do not want to help anyone out cause they know it
    3 points
  46. It's always about the money....Unions, UL, OSHA, inspections , permits, fines. None of these things accomplish what they were designed to do anymore. Which was to create and insure some sort of quality level and while also making sure working conditions were safe for the actual workers. Unions have become similar to a mafia run organization. It's members are protected by the power of the organization. While they are taught to hate and try to strong arm and intimidate any one who isn't in their organization. Unions also destroy hard work and creativity by advancing members based solely on se
    3 points
  47. We have been fortunate and have done some work inside of the GM Orion Plant without being a union shop, but I get really irritated when we have to have a union guy sit on his fat arse and watch us while getting paid waaaay more money than any sign people I know. Unions had their place decades ago, but now they are part of the demise of this country. I am Detroit born and raised, so I am surrounded by union folk. It is ludicrous that someone on the line can be in the six figures while screwing in a bolt without needing a brain while people who work their butts off barely get by. But, just m
    3 points
  48. BAR STOOL ECONOMICS Suppose that every day, ten men go out for a beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1.00 The sixth would pay $3.00 The seventh would pay $7.00 The eighth would pay $12.00 The ninth would pay $18.00 The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.00 So that’s what they decided to do. The men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with arraignment, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since y
    3 points
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