Untold gun control stories from New Orleans

[B.O.P.]

This sort of thing should scare the HELL out of every one of us! Whether you are for gun control or against it, what happened to these people should make you mad as HELL!

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Edited April 21, 2007 by Westcoast Sign Guy
I came with my video cable

[Erik Sine]

Ded link

[Batch]

Scary stuff...

[Batch]

Just worked for me...

[Erik Sine]

The hell with that, there would be a stand-off in my situation! No ones taking my Mac90!!

:rambo:

"They can take my gun when they pull it from my cold dead fingers" - Redneck Bumper Sticker

[neonmaker]

how low can they go.........victim once again.......

[Travisgt45]

how low can they go.........victim once again.......

Don't get me started with this.... I am amazed at the last guy who actually had his firearms returned to him later on.

Florida just shot down a bill not letting citizens who own and carry legally to leave their personal protection firearm in their car while at work. So now the state is making the employers property rights greater than our second ammendment!! So I guess now company owners can guarantee our security while traveling to and from the office now, eh?

I hope Florida isn't slowly turning into another California or Pennsylvania... if so, I'm moving!!

[Batch]

Travis, if you could be more specific I would appreciate it.

Florida law and probably all gun laws are tricky. Like being able to carry open in you apartment. But, you are illegal carrying across hallways and driveways.

Or like this beauty matching recent posts...

"Firearms lawfully possessed may not be seized during any declared “ state of emergency” if the possessor is not engaged in a crime. But, it’s a crime to possess a firearm in a “public place” when a local sheriff or public official declares a “state of emergency” per F.S. 870.044, but not when the governor declares a “state of emergency” since that’s under F.S. 14.021 &.022."

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yers property rights greater than our second ammendment!! So I guess now company owners can guarantee our security while traveling to and from the office now, eh?

I hope Florida isn't slowly turning into another California or Pennsylvania... if so, I'm moving!!

Just because I live in CA and it is the first socialistic state in the union does not make it a bad place to live! The weather here is awesome ! and just think our gov is Arnold Schwarzenegger :rambo: ?????? Other states have better laws but Cali is where it's at! Besides as long as I can have a gun with bullets I'm OK

[Erik Sine]

Just because I live in CA and it is the first socialistic state in the union does not make it a bad place to live! The weather here is awesome ! and just think our gov is Arnold Schwarzenegger :rambo: ?????? Other states have better laws but Cali is where it's at! Besides as long as I can have a gun with bullets I'm OK

CAN I HAVE AN AMEN!!!!

I would have said socialistic lunacy but hey...

[Travisgt45]

This explains the law pretty well batch. (Taken from Yahoo...)

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- The fallout from the worst one-day gun massacre in modern U.S. history tinged the atmosphere Wednesday as a Florida House committee quashed a bill that would have forced businesses to allow employees to keep guns locked in their cars in company parking lots.

The shooting of 32 people at Virginia Tech University earlier this week was barely alluded to by members of the House Environmental and Natural Resources Council. But it surfaced when one lawmaker, without success, asked his colleagues to postpone a vote on the National Rifle Association-backed bill in the wake of Monday's tragedy.

"All anyone has to do today is turn on CNN and MSNBC and any of the 24-hour news channels," said Rep. Baxter Troutman, R-Winter Haven, who voted against the bill. "I just think that this subject today in this committee meeting today in this Florida Legislature is a highly inappropriate subject."

Other lawmakers said they had a job to do, despite the news.

"The people in your district expect you to do your job," responded Rep. Stan Mayfield, R-Vero Beach, who also voted against the bill, "and part of your job is to vote on difficult issues and sometimes that's hard to avoid."

Mark Wilson, executive vice president of the Florida Chamber of Commerce -- one of the largest business lobbies opposing the bill -- said his organization made a decision not to bring the massacre into the discussion at all.

"That just wasn't going to be part of the debate," Wilson said.

The bill (HB1417) was defeated by a 10-4 vote Wednesday, after being approved in two recent Senate committee stops by votes of 7-1 and 8-3. The bill was primed for the Senate floor, but now can't be taken up by the House, which means it won't pass before the end of the 60-day legislative session May 4.

The measure has now failed two consecutive years in Florida.

Even without the influence of recent events, the bill pitting the gun-rights lobby against the business lobby has been a wrenching one, particularly for Republicans who call the two groups part of their core constituency.

The bill forced a debate over the property rights of businesses against the property rights of individuals. While businesses argued they have a right to control behavior on their property and a legal duty to protect employees, the gun lobby argued that an employee's Second Amendment right to bear arms doesn't stop at the pavement of a company parking lot.

The bill, while the discussion surrounding it focused on guns, applied to any possession an employee is allowed to carry by law. The AFL-CIO, a key labor union, supported the bill because of what it viewed as the growing ability of businesses to rule over their employees. Some Democrats in the Senate committees voted for the bill.

Marion Hammer, an NRA lobbyist and grandmother who never drives without her gun, said the bill was necessary to give employees the ability to protect themselves during their commutes.

The Southeast Legal Foundation told supporters to expect a lawsuit because the bill, if passed into law, would be unconstitutional. Hammer said she welcomes a lawsuit, arguing that business owners are trampling the property rights of individuals.

In his final plea to lawmakers to support his bill, Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, said it boiled down to giving people the freedom to protect themselves.

"This is not about us. It's not about my political future or yours, it's not about the people in this room and what financial risks they have," Baxley said. "This is about the people of Florida and their freedom is at risk."

When asked whether the Virginia Tech tragedy influenced the outcome of Wednesday's vote, Hammer said she didn't know.

"It should not. Nothing in this bill has anything at all to do with the sort of thing that happened in Virginia," Hammer said.

Gov. Charlie Crist, however, said it would be difficult to separate the two.

"How can you not be impacted at least in some way, as horrific a tragedy that was in our country," Crist said.

Historically the NRA has been highly influential in the Florida Legislature, successfully pushing a law two years ago, for example, that removed a person's duty to retreat when attacked in a public place. It also successfully pushed a guns-in-parking-lots law in Oklahoma in 2004, although that law is now being challenged in court by businesses including ConocoPhillips.

Associated Press writers David Royse and Brendan Farrington contributed to this report.

[GetLit]

I live in the New Orleans area but , fortunately , not in Orleans Parish . New Orleans is what I describe as being a third world city-state. I've also heard it called , on several occasions since the hurricane , a banana republic. Things on the political scene have gone from bad to worse. The police have always been an ignorant pack of hooligans from what I've seen over the years. What I see on this video doesn't surprise me one bit . A friend of mine was arrested after a football game last month because he scratched his rear tires a bit trying to merge into post game traffic. He was arrested for wreckless driving which , from what he described to me wasn't the case at all . Here's the worst part - his 14 year old son was left sitting in a bad part of town by himself in a brand new Silverado for over an hour . The police did not care about this one bit . Not only could the truck have been stolen but his son could have been injured or killed . When he was put in lock up the cell was packed and he remained there for 16 hours and had to defend himself while in the cell . Everyone in there had been arrested for minor traffic violations including a lawyer he spoke with who had an expired inspection sticker on the windshield . This is what scares me the most when I have to go downtown - the fact that I can be arrested for anything no matter how trivial ! No one knows what to do about it and I believe that the only thing that keeps this city going is the honest hard working citizens and business owners who keep people working and that pay their taxes . Let's not forget this one -

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I don't know why in the beginning of this vid they show the LA state police van because this is totally the NOPD beating this poor guy . This page here always make me laugh - http://www.joinnopd.com/

And if you go to nopdonline.com the very first thing you see is a fund they've established to protect the 7 police officers who shot and killed several people on the danziger bridge while they were trying to evacuate . One can see that the priority here is to protect themselves rather than to find out if the rights of innocent people were violated.

The fact that the local police have seized people guns with no recourse or method to reacquire their guns also doesn't surprise me - the NOPd doesn't give a damn about anyone's rights as far as I can see. I don't know if this reflects what is happening at the national level concerning gun rights, though . Sorry if this turned into a rant !

Edited April 25, 2007 by Westcoast Sign Guy
Brought out my A/V cables

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I was unaware of the law.

I work for a company where many of us are permitted to carry.

The law allows you to carry openly or concealed without a lic. in Florida at your place of work.