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Erik Sine Master Engineer

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I just submitted drawings to a center that I have done signs before recently. Now I get a response back that I have to pay a review fee of $350.00 that is done by another sign company? I have never heard of such a thing.

I have heard of Prop MGMT's paying a third party to review their sign proposals that were submitted to them by sign companies that they don't want to take the time to review themselves. But, to pass this on to a client? I'm in the early stages of this, I don't even think this is part of the lease.

$350.00 is more than a sign permit fee itself for a set of non-illuminated letters.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - Winston Churchill

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I pay for plans on big jobs accasionally. Many of those are refundable if you return them in good condition and timely. But I never heard of this. Sounds like some fine print on the drawing of the designing shop. I do the same thing in a round-a-bout way.

I have a disclaimer that says you have to pay me up to $1500.00 if let someone else use my drawing to do the project.

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If I understand correctly - it's the property management company who is choosing to sub-out the design approval because they don't have either the time or the expertise to do the work. If they are saving time (and thus labor) by subbing out the reviews, then it makes sense that THEY would be on the hook for the cost of the 3rd party to do this work for them.

I'm not sure I'd agree to this. Can you find out who is doing the review and call them to discuss this new arrangement? I think they'd probably let you know whether or not your work hinges on agreeing to the cost or not, since they'll clarify what their proposal was to the property management company was in the first place. You can them agree or decline once you're armed with the background info.

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Erik Sine Master Engineer

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If I understand correctly - it's the property management company who is choosing to sub-out the design approval because they don't have either the time or the expertise to do the work. If they are saving time (and thus labor) by subbing out the reviews, then it makes sense that THEY would be on the hook for the cost of the 3rd party to do this work for them.

I'm not sure I'd agree to this. Can you find out who is doing the review and call them to discuss this new arrangement? I think they'd probably let you know whether or not your work hinges on agreeing to the cost or not, since they'll clarify what their proposal was to the property management company was in the first place. You can them agree or decline once you're armed with the background info.

After going back and forth to get clarification, it appears my client must pay a review fee for the owners to outsource the drawing approval.

Again, I have never heard of such a thing.

This is typical McMillin Developers. They have had much worse tactics in the past I wish I would have gotten a lawyer back then

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - Winston Churchill

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Well, your client is an outsourced company by the owners to begin with - so it seems they are trying to get you to eat the bills that these multiple "outside source" firms sometimes need to bill each other for.

I've seen some weird arrangements like this before, but it's the first time I've heard of them trying to pass on these costs to yet another "outside source" contractor - in this case the sign company. I would think bigger sign firms would quite clearly decline to pay, and probably not even be asked to pay...

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Some larger contractors require bidders to pay to review and bid. Usually they do this to narrow it down to serious and qualified bidders. They typically give the loosers their money back and the winner leaves it in his bid.

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After going back and forth to get clarification, it appears my client must pay a review fee for the owners to outsource the drawing approval.

Again, I have never heard of such a thing.

This is typical McMillin Developers. They have had much worse tactics in the past I wish I would have gotten a lawyer back then

Any way the LL will bill the customer directly? Thanks for the info, I haven't dealt with said Property Owner before. Are they primarily in CA? TIA.

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I just got a reply back. The LL who is McMillin is going to pay for their own outsourcing. So good, one less headache or loop I need to jump through to get this sign up.

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